F1 determines winners based on politics

UN-FUCKING BELIEVABLE!

Hamilton is squeezed off the track after having a slight lead going into the last chicane by Kimi, he can either crash into Kimi by riding the wet curb or go wide. He clearly reliquishes the lead by the time they get down the start/finish straight. Telemetry shows Hamilton lifted and Kimi had clearly retook the lead. Kimi in desperation zigs, Hamilton zags in his draft and out brakes Kimi into turn one. Kimi bumps him but Hamilton keeps the lead. Later Hamiton is forced off the track by a bondoogle of back markers spinning around in the wet Kimi benefits and clearly takes few second lead, a clear lead. Hamilton looks done for any win. Kimi soon spins off the track and Hamilton passes him on Kim's own mistake. Later Kimi spins again and crashes. Massa was not even a figure in the race for a win all race long Heidfeld only benefitted by getting intermediates and passing others who where slip sliding on grooved tires. F1 figures Hamilton should not only have the race win taken from but some 25 second penalty pulled out of F1's ass puts him behind Massa who again had no part in being a part of any race for the win today and Heidfeld who was not part of it either? If this crap does not tell you who F1 works for after all their other nonesense decisons over the last number of years in working for Ferrari then you have to be retarded

UN-FUCKING REAL! They want people to take them seriously with shit like this good luck in that happening F1. Enjoy your given to victory Massa it was not well deserved. FUCK YOU F1.

at least you got to see the race.

here, the only chance to see it is to wake up at 0400. fuck that.

i considered going, but i decided against . . .

This is why I barely even follow F1 anymore.

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:UN-FUCKING BELIEVABLE!

Hamilton is squeezed off the track after having a slight lead going into the last chicane by Kimi, he can either crash into Kimi by riding the wet curb or go wide. He clearly reliquishes the lead by the time they get down the start/finish straight. Telemetry shows Hamilton lifted and Kimi had clearly retook the lead. Kimi in desperation zigs, Hamilton zags in his draft and out brakes Kimi into turn one. Kimi bumps him but Hamilton keeps the lead. Later Hamiton is forced off the track by a bondoogle of back markers spinning around in the wet Kimi benefits and clearly takes few second lead, a clear lead. Hamilton looks done for any win. Kimi soon spins off the track and Hamilton passes him on Kim's own mistake. Later Kimi spins again and crashes. Massa was not even a figure in the race for a win all race long Heidfeld only benefitted by getting intermediates and passing others who where slip sliding on grooved tires. F1 figures Hamilton should not only have the race win taken from but some 25 second penalty pulled out of F1's ass puts him behind Massa who again had no part in being a part of any race for the win today and Heidfeld who was not part of it either? If this crap does not tell you who F1 works for after all their other nonesense decisons over the last number of years in working for Ferrari then you have to be retarded

UN-FUCKING REAL! They want people to take them seriously with shit like this good luck in that happening F1. Enjoy your given to victory Massa it was not well deserved. FUCK YOU F1.

Wow, that blows. I watched the race and it was very clear to me that Hamilton backed off to let Kimi go buy. It's not like he took a short-cut to get around, the track was wet and his tires weren't good enough to stop him. I was impressed he kept the car straight. He then let Kimi go by and it was back to racing. Sucks for Hamilton...

Aristotle wrote:at least you got to see the race.

here, the only chance to see it is to wake up at 0400. fuck that.

Get a DVR

yeah, that was ridiculous. fucking ridiculous. hamilton raced a damn fine race. the stewards are bitches.

and kimi showed himself to be consistently inconsistent.

The best part is, apparently, that the FIA Race Controlers said that everything was fine, during the race, with the way Hamilton handled the situation.

and poor weber. that guy can not catch a damn break.

I wonder where Pennz is?

TheWoerus wrote:This is why I barely even follow F1 anymore.

Yeah, I'm just flustered as to why it's at all popular with this kind of crap going on. I can see why there's an influx of F1 drivers going over to NASCAR.

It was a great race to watch though.

Betstar has decided to pay out on both Massa and Hamilton. And even though it contradicts my Fantasy F1 team, I had bet with the F1 encyclopedia at work that a Ferrari would win the race, vs. his opinion that it would be a McLaren. He knows way more about F1's history than me, but I'm still up $70 so far for the year (assuming he pays this one).

Anyway, the start and end of that race had some great racing. It's clear Hamilton deserved to win (despite his early spin where he was lucky to hold the field up due to blocking the corner exit), although Kimi did show everyone else up in the neutral conditions of the middle stint. It's clear the Ferrari is a bit of a dog on the harder compound tyres, while the McLaren can go the distance on the softs in cooler weather.

read the rules guys. a driver cant gain an unfair advantage from cutting a corner. had there been a wall at the edge of the track hamilton would have had to back off and follow kimi through the corner, losing time from outbraking himself and taking the wrong line, in which case he would never have been able to overtake him into la source.

simple, and the race officials like charlie whiting dont actually have any say over the rules during the race

The thing is though, Kimi had become so damn slow with the track that wet that it would have required quite an effort to have given any advantage back.

He slowed down and let Kimi back in front. If it was dry and there wasn't a 10 second per lap differential between the 2 cars then it's unlikely he would have made it passed him at the next corner.

Pennzoil GT-R wrote:read the rules guys. a driver cant gain an unfair advantage from cutting a corner. had there been a wall at the edge of the track hamilton would have had to back off and follow kimi through the corner, losing time from outbraking himself and taking the wrong line, in which case he would never have been able to overtake him into la source.

simple, and the race officials like charlie whiting dont actually have any say over the rules during the race

The rules were followed by Hamilton. Kimi ran him off the course, Hamilton let Kimi pass back and then took the place back the next corner. It was all under the rules Penz. But even at that McLaren said and all race watchers saw Hamilton was going much faster per lap by that stage at Spa and would have nailed Kimi on the next corner allowing for a pass. If you recall Hamilton in avoiding a crash later the next lap with back markers was forced into the grass giving Kimi the lead back and Kimi then decided to drive into the wall so how does punishing Hamilton after the race account for that? It doesn't, it was POLITICAL, FIA and FERRARI gave each other a mutual blow job as they have done all too often for all too many years now and thankfully the racing gods made up for it in Singapore when Massa drove down pit lane with a refueling hose attached to his car costing him the points FIA gave to him at Spa.

I don't think hamilton should have been penalised but I can still see the other side. Even if he did give the place back he still found himself in a better position to pass than he was when he made the failed attempt (I think). It's about gaining an 'advantage', not just a race position.

Following the law to the letter there may be a case that he was advantaged. I think the fact that kimi was so slow at the time should render that argument void though.

I can also see the FIA argument. At the same time, my personal observation is that there is no way an F1 car should be able to slow to let another car pass, yet build back enough speed to retake that car before the next corner. It was Kimi weaving like an idiot that slowed his car enough to let Hamilton pass, not the literal chicanery.

Swerve wrote:I can also see the FIA argument. At the same time, my personal observation is that there is no way an F1 car should be able to slow to let another car pass, yet build back enough speed to retake that car before the next corner. It was Kimi weaving like an idiot that slowed his car enough to let Hamilton pass, not the literal chicanery.

He didn't, he out braked Kimi into la source. His telemetry showed he was 6+km/h slower as Kimi passed him on the start/finish straight. Hamilton caught the draft, Kimi dodged left, Hamilton right and out braked him into the next corner. Look if it were the other way around FIA would never have made such a political penalty you know it, I know it we all know it. FIA and Ferrari have be in bed together for years now.

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

Swerve wrote:I can also see the FIA argument. At the same time, my personal observation is that there is no way an F1 car should be able to slow to let another car pass, yet build back enough speed to retake that car before the next corner. It was Kimi weaving like an idiot that slowed his car enough to let Hamilton pass, not the literal chicanery.

He didn't, he out braked Kimi into la source. His telemetry showed he was 6+km/h slower as Kimi passed him on the start/finish straight. Hamilton caught the draft, Kimi dodged left, Hamilton right and out braked him into the next corner. Look if it were the other way around FIA would never have made such a political penalty you know it, I know it we all know it. FIA and Ferrari have be in bed together for years now.

replace the kerbs with a concrete wall. hamilton would have been nowhere near him into la source.

Pennzoil GT-R wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

Swerve wrote:I can also see the FIA argument. At the same time, my personal observation is that there is no way an F1 car should be able to slow to let another car pass, yet build back enough speed to retake that car before the next corner. It was Kimi weaving like an idiot that slowed his car enough to let Hamilton pass, not the literal chicanery.

He didn't, he out braked Kimi into la source. His telemetry showed he was 6+km/h slower as Kimi passed him on the start/finish straight. Hamilton caught the draft, Kimi dodged left, Hamilton right and out braked him into the next corner. Look if it were the other way around FIA would never have made such a political penalty you know it, I know it we all know it. FIA and Ferrari have be in bed together for years now.

replace the kerbs with a concrete wall. hamilton would have been nowhere near him into la source.

And what would have become of Kimi upon reviewing him running Hamilton into said wall then?

Hamilton gave the lead back to Kimi to where Kimi then lost it. FIA made an ass of itself (it does it very well in recent years) by politically giving a win to Massa that he had no right to get as he was not a factor in actually winning that race. There is no more to argue except the only reason McLaren lost was a bureaucratic rule saying they had no rules to grant them the appeal. FIA never defended the political choice at Spa but merely said no rule allowed McLaren a right to get a reversal.

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

Swerve wrote:I can also see the FIA argument. At the same time, my personal observation is that there is no way an F1 car should be able to slow to let another car pass, yet build back enough speed to retake that car before the next corner. It was Kimi weaving like an idiot that slowed his car enough to let Hamilton pass, not the literal chicanery.

He didn't, he out braked Kimi into la source. His telemetry showed he was 6+km/h slower as Kimi passed him on the start/finish straight. Hamilton caught the draft, Kimi dodged left, Hamilton right and out braked him into the next corner. Look if it were the other way around FIA would never have made such a political penalty you know it, I know it we all know it. FIA and Ferrari have be in bed together for years now.

I have a lot more riding on McLaren drivers beating Ferrari drivers than you do. And I was 37th on FF1GP.com and am now back to 55th (out of 1,400). But I can still see the FIA's shitty point.