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Crisis Deepens as Big Bank Fails
IndyMac Seized
In Largest Bust
In Two Decades
By DAMIAN PALETTA and DAVID ENRICH
July 12, 2008; Page A1
IndyMac Bank, a prolific mortgage specialist that helped fuel the housing boom, was seized Friday by federal regulators, in the third-largest bank failure in U.S. history.
IndyMac is the biggest mortgage lender to go under since a fall in housing prices and surge in defaults began rippling through the economy last year -- and it likely won't be the last. Banking regulators are bracing for a slew of failures over the next year as analysts say housing prices have yet to bottom out.
The collapse is expected to cost the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. between $4 billion and $8 billion, potentially wiping out more than 10% of the FDIC's $53 billion deposit-insurance fund.
The Pasadena, Calif., thrift was one of the largest savings and loans in the country, with about $32 billion in assets. It now joins an infamous list of collapsed banks, topped by Continental Illinois National Bank & Trust Co., which failed in 1984 with $40 billion of assets. The second-largest failure was American Savings & Loan Association of Stockton, Calif., in 1988.
The director of the Office of Thrift Supervision, John Reich, blamed IndyMac's failure on comments made in late June by Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.), who sent a letter to the regulator raising concerns about the bank's solvency. In the following 11 days, spooked depositors withdrew a total of $1.3 billion. Mr. Reich said Sen. Schumer gave the bank a "heart attack."
"Would the institution have failed without the deposit run?" Mr. Reich asked reporters. "We'll never know the answer to that question."
Mr. Schumer quickly fired back.
"If OTS had done its job as regulator and not let IndyMac's poor and loose lending practices continue, we wouldn't be where we are today," Sen. Schumer said. "Instead of pointing false fingers of blame, OTS should start doing its job to prevent future IndyMacs."
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IndyMac had been troubled for months, and investors were concerned about its possible downfall well before Sen. Schumer's comments. It specialized in Alt-A loans, a type of mortgage that can often be offered to borrowers who don't fully document their incomes or assets. The company sold most of the loans it originated, but continued to hold some on its books. As defaults piled up, IndyMac's finances deteriorated.
The bank will be run by the FDIC and reopen Monday. The FDIC typically insures up to $100,000 per depositor.IndyMac had roughly $19 billion of deposits. Nearly $1 billion of those deposits were uninsured, affecting about 10,000 people, the FDIC said.
IndyMac's arc -- rapid growth, followed by an even more rapid descent -- is a microcosm of the mortgage industry. It boomed in the first part of this decade, as investors were willing to fund loans on ever-looser terms, then hit hard times when the housing market began to turn down in late 2006.
Small mortgage lenders started going under quickly, with the number of failures climbing into the hundreds. Now the fallout has spread world-wide, bringing down some of America's largest financial institutions. Bear Stearns Cos., which suffered losses on mortgage-related investments, underwent a meltdown in March and had to be rescued by J.P. Morgan Chase & Co.
Countrywide Financial Corp., at one time the nation's largest mortgage lender, saw its stock price plunge this year and was forced to sell itself to Bank of America Corp. at a firesale price.
IndyMac, in a last-ditch effort to fend off collapse after it failed to raise fresh capital, said this past week it was firing more than half its work force and closing most of its lending operations. While its shares had been tumbling since early 2007, the move was nonetheless jarring for a company that ranked as the ninth-largest U.S. mortgage lender last year in terms of loan volume, according to trade publication Inside Mortgage Finance.
IndyMac is one of the few federally insured banks to fail in recent years. Banking regulators are bulking up their staff of bank examiners and taking a tough approach toward banks that are seen as risky.
Mr. Reich, the thrift regulator, noted that the IndyMac case had some "unique" features, including the involvement of Sen. Schumer and the rapid fall in its deposits. Officials said most of the recent withdrawals came from depositors at branches, rather than those making deposits at IndyMac's online bank.
IndyMac was set up by Countrywide in 1985, but the two companies severed ties in 1997 and became direct competitors. The company's name stands for Independent National Mortgage. It was created to specialize in jumbo mortgages -- those that are too big to be sold to government-backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In 1997, under the direction of Chief Executive Michael Perry, a protege of Countrywide chief Angelo Mozilo, IndyMac set off on its own.
The company grew quickly, pioneering the issuance of so-called Alt-A mortgages to people with blemished credit histories. The loans have gained notoriety as an example of the type of lax lending that came to characterize much of the mortgage industry.
Early last year, Mr. Perry remained optimistic about IndyMac's future, insisting that the company had the resources to remain independent. At the time, IndyMac's stock was trading for about $45 a share.
But the combination of the frozen credit markets and mounting defaults on IndyMac loans steadily sapped investor confidence in the company. In February, IndyMac reported the first annual loss in its 23-year history. By this week, its shares, which ended last year at less than $7 each, were trading for 28 cents apiece.
The company was desperate for more capital but couldn't find investors willing to put fresh funds into what looked like a crippled institution.
The failure could be felt across the entire banking industry, as the FDIC will likely have to raise insurance assessments for all banks to build up government reserves. "It takes a big chunk out of the FDIC insurance fund," said Chip MacDonald, a banking lawyer at law firm Jones Day. He said that if the FDIC hikes insurance fees, that will add to already-intense pressure on bank profits.
The OTS and FDIC didn't secure any outside firm to acquire the bank's assets. The FDIC will temporarily run the bank through a new bank it has created, called IndyMac Federal Bank, FSB.
Write to Damian Paletta at damian.paletta@wsj.com and David Enrich at david.enrich@wsj.com
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It's cool working for a mortgage company. Every day I expect the building to be boarded up.
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Holy shit!
You're alive!
You're alive!
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Been workin 12 hour days and AF was blocked at work, and I had an aversion to this forum. I've overcome my disgust with the fact that jayson is running it.
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We've missed your holy light.
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Also, what's this about you having a girlfriend?
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It's called i'm a fucking idiot and decided to date a girl that lives 1.5 hours away.
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Does she put out?
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Girls that don't put out belong in darfur.
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indy mac has just said they're going to pay the unisured depositors 50 cents on the dollar.
isn't that nice.
isn't that nice.
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VS wrote:Been workin 12 hour days and AF was blocked at work, and I had an aversion to this forum. I've overcome my disgust with the fact that jayson is running it.
If by running it you mean repeatedly being told by Forumotion that broken shit can't be fixed and uploading a bunch of smilies, then yeah I guess I run this place.
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Boss: Did you draw on my banana?
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Maybe we're seeing the start of the collapse of western civilization.
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the only solace i will take is that we will bring everyone else down with us. it's the western way.
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if i had a nuke big enough to destroy the planet right now id so set it off
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thats not cool... dont punish us cause the poontang is punishing u.
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what exactly happens to these unsecured mortgages?
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banks typically try to sell them. if there are no takers, they write them off the balance sheet and call it a loss.
if someone that owns a home defaults on their first and second mortgage, the banks modify the mortgages, and each gets a percentage of the foreclosure sale, unless it's the same bank that holds both notes, but that is rare these days, since most first mortgages were sold off to other investors or fannie mae/freddie mac.
if someone that owns a home defaults on their first and second mortgage, the banks modify the mortgages, and each gets a percentage of the foreclosure sale, unless it's the same bank that holds both notes, but that is rare these days, since most first mortgages were sold off to other investors or fannie mae/freddie mac.
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And who exactly secures the secured mortgage?
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911 wrote:And who exactly secures the secured mortgage?
hahaha that's the 2 trillion dollar question. the mortgages are compiled, packaged, and sold as SIVs and CDOs, so nobody seems to know who owns what. that's why everything is such a mess on wall st. there's a guy in florida who stopped paying his mortgage on a million dollar home, because he asked the bank to provide a copy of the promissory note, which they have to do legally, and they couldn't find it. a judge told the bank that the guy can't be foreclosed on until they can find the note. 99% chance that note never ever turns up in his lifetime.
now the reason sub-prime is so prominently featured is because banks like countrywide and indymac gave mortgages to anybody that walked through the door. that's not an exaggeration. so then they packaged those 'sub-prime' notes with prime notes (people w/good credit), the ratings agencies rated them highly (even with the illegal mexican apple pickers that bought mansions in cali thrown in), and sold them to investors as the SIVs and CDOs i mentioned, which are essentially complex bonds. now those bonds are unsellable, because nobody knows what % of the bond is sub-prime.
the banks made several trillion dollars worth of these things.
this will easily go down as the fuck-up of the 21st century. it would be the biggest of the 20th, if it weren't for the depression.
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Aristotle wrote:
this will easily go down as the first fuck-up of the 21st century. it would be the biggest of the 20th, if it weren't for the depression.
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