Wall Street Fat Cats Are Trying to Pocket Billions in Bailout Cash
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Re: Wall Street Fat Cats Are Trying to Pocket Billions in Bailout Cash
Aristotle wrote:hahaha
speaking of that, here's a funny vid:
http://www.break.com/index/hot-college-chick-pulls-classic-prank.html
What a bitch!!!
I mean, if the guy did something to piss her off, ok, but that was just uncalled for. If he had I don't know, slapped her as aprank, he'd be in jail...
I hope he got a special apology from her
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haha he didn't get an apology, but he got revenge:
http://www.break.com/index/cute-girlfriend-scared-to-death-car-jacker-prank.html
http://www.break.com/index/cute-girlfriend-scared-to-death-car-jacker-prank.html
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Aristotle wrote:haha he didn't get an apology, but he got revenge:
http://www.break.com/index/cute-girlfriend-scared-to-death-car-jacker-prank.html
AWESOME!!!!
By the way, that video linked to what is AF's official pet: pervert kitteh!
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oh rod if only you ever found out what i did for a living or what ive been doing these past few years
ps ill never be a CEO of a bank, you'll never be an American citizen. I think you got the shitty deal there
ps ill never be a CEO of a bank, you'll never be an American citizen. I think you got the shitty deal there
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Pennzoil GT-R wrote: oh rod if only you ever found out what i did for a living or what ive been doing these past few years
ps ill never be a CEO of a bank, you'll never be an American citizen. I think you got the shitty deal there
That's supposed to piss me off? :jay:
You don't know me at all. I'm dissapointed.
By the way, you'll never be a girl, so you got the shittier deal :chickwithadick:
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what's your insight on this whole matter rod? we're all acutely aware you never add anything of value to the board, so how about you stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?
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The_Edge wrote:Pennz is so fucked up.
The only reason he is defending those CEO's and bankers is because he dreams to be one of them. After dropping out of law school, he somehow got an entry level job in the financial industry, and now he feels like "one of them". That explains how he is so empathetic with their suffering, they're "poor little victims exposed", "they need their poor, mid 6 figure payments",etc.
I can picture pennz in a youtube video, crying "leavebritneythe bankers alone!" while drinking his own tears.
Thing is, if the same case had lawyers (what pennz could never be), politicians or whatnot, pennz would be holding a torch in anger and taking no prisoners. Scary.
Pennz is like the cadillac salesman that would look down on someone telling him "you could never afford one of these cars, sir" to a potential customer, forgetting that he couldn't afford it as well. Pennz is like the snobby server in a top of the line restaurant who looks down on a client for not ordering the most expensive wine, when he couldn't even buy a beer himself.
Pennz, I got bad news for you, you're not "one of them", and you will never be one of them. You're a pawn in that industry, and your level of arrogance and ignorance will never let you progress. I will kick myself in the balls if you ever become one of those CEO's or bankers earning say, 700K a year.
Dude, he quit law school because he didn't like it. Not because he couldn't hack it. Get your facts straight.
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Aristotle wrote:haha he didn't get an apology, but he got revenge:
http://www.break.com/index/cute-girlfriend-scared-to-death-car-jacker-prank.html
lol, check this out http://www.break.com/cute-girls/a-special-sarah-palin-strip-tease.html
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Aristotle wrote:hahaha
speaking of that, here's a funny vid:
http://www.break.com/index/hot-college-chick-pulls-classic-prank.html
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millertime wrote:The_Edge wrote:Pennz is so fucked up.
The only reason he is defending those CEO's and bankers is because he dreams to be one of them. After dropping out of law school, he somehow got an entry level job in the financial industry, and now he feels like "one of them". That explains how he is so empathetic with their suffering, they're "poor little victims exposed", "they need their poor, mid 6 figure payments",etc.
I can picture pennz in a youtube video, crying "leavebritneythe bankers alone!" while drinking his own tears.
Thing is, if the same case had lawyers (what pennz could never be), politicians or whatnot, pennz would be holding a torch in anger and taking no prisoners. Scary.
Pennz is like the cadillac salesman that would look down on someone telling him "you could never afford one of these cars, sir" to a potential customer, forgetting that he couldn't afford it as well. Pennz is like the snobby server in a top of the line restaurant who looks down on a client for not ordering the most expensive wine, when he couldn't even buy a beer himself.
Pennz, I got bad news for you, you're not "one of them", and you will never be one of them. You're a pawn in that industry, and your level of arrogance and ignorance will never let you progress. I will kick myself in the balls if you ever become one of those CEO's or bankers earning say, 700K a year.
Dude, he quit law school because he didn't like it. Not because he couldn't hack it. Get your facts straight.
actually i didnt quit at all. i did the course, didnt like it, and so didnt pursue it as a career. but lets not let a crazy thing like factual accuracy get in the way of rod/the edge/whatever other various alter egos hes pretended to be over the years
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You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
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Aristotle wrote:hahaha
speaking of that, here's a funny vid:
http://www.break.com/index/hot-college-chick-pulls-classic-prank.html
to be fair, any chick that does that is fair game for a beatdown imo
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i was JUST telling a girl this weekend that girls are not allowed to hit dudes in the balls since they don't have any to retaliate on, and any girl who does should not be surprised to take a smack across the face.
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TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
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And then make sure you do your XYZ followed by the FYI and the 123.
Srsly.
Srsly.
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Or do the ABC, it's as easy as the 123.
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millertime wrote:The_Edge wrote:Pennz is so fucked up.
The only reason he is defending those CEO's and bankers is because he dreams to be one of them. After dropping out of law school, he somehow got an entry level job in the financial industry, and now he feels like "one of them". That explains how he is so empathetic with their suffering, they're "poor little victims exposed", "they need their poor, mid 6 figure payments",etc.
I can picture pennz in a youtube video, crying "leavebritneythe bankers alone!" while drinking his own tears.
Thing is, if the same case had lawyers (what pennz could never be), politicians or whatnot, pennz would be holding a torch in anger and taking no prisoners. Scary.
Pennz is like the cadillac salesman that would look down on someone telling him "you could never afford one of these cars, sir" to a potential customer, forgetting that he couldn't afford it as well. Pennz is like the snobby server in a top of the line restaurant who looks down on a client for not ordering the most expensive wine, when he couldn't even buy a beer himself.
Pennz, I got bad news for you, you're not "one of them", and you will never be one of them. You're a pawn in that industry, and your level of arrogance and ignorance will never let you progress. I will kick myself in the balls if you ever become one of those CEO's or bankers earning say, 700K a year.
Dude, he quit law school because he didn't like it. Not because he couldn't hack it. Get your facts straight.
"Dude", since when does Raska allow you to post here?
Anyway, he has been denying quitting law school all this time (even though he admitted doing so before he began denying it). Get your non-facts straight, you're harming more than helping him here.
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Pennzoil GT-R wrote:millertime wrote:The_Edge wrote:Pennz is so fucked up.
The only reason he is defending those CEO's and bankers is because he dreams to be one of them. After dropping out of law school, he somehow got an entry level job in the financial industry, and now he feels like "one of them". That explains how he is so empathetic with their suffering, they're "poor little victims exposed", "they need their poor, mid 6 figure payments",etc.
I can picture pennz in a youtube video, crying "leavebritneythe bankers alone!" while drinking his own tears.
Thing is, if the same case had lawyers (what pennz could never be), politicians or whatnot, pennz would be holding a torch in anger and taking no prisoners. Scary.
Pennz is like the cadillac salesman that would look down on someone telling him "you could never afford one of these cars, sir" to a potential customer, forgetting that he couldn't afford it as well. Pennz is like the snobby server in a top of the line restaurant who looks down on a client for not ordering the most expensive wine, when he couldn't even buy a beer himself.
Pennz, I got bad news for you, you're not "one of them", and you will never be one of them. You're a pawn in that industry, and your level of arrogance and ignorance will never let you progress. I will kick myself in the balls if you ever become one of those CEO's or bankers earning say, 700K a year.
Dude, he quit law school because he didn't like it. Not because he couldn't hack it. Get your facts straight.
actually i didnt quit at all. i did the course, didnt like it, and so didnt pursue it as a career. but lets not let a crazy thing like factual accuracy get in the way of rod/the edge/whatever other various alter egos hes pretended to be over the years
BOOM!
Told you so millie. Either pennz is a liar or you just defended him because, it's me who is wiping the floor with his ass.
If I ever needed proof of people like you replying differently when it's me who made a post, this is it. You lost all legitimity to tell me shit again, not that you ever had it. Who needed to get his "facts" straight now?
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Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
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Shut up ROD. Miller being slightly mistaken has nothing to do with Pennz.The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:millertime wrote:The_Edge wrote:Pennz is so fucked up.
The only reason he is defending those CEO's and bankers is because he dreams to be one of them. After dropping out of law school, he somehow got an entry level job in the financial industry, and now he feels like "one of them". That explains how he is so empathetic with their suffering, they're "poor little victims exposed", "they need their poor, mid 6 figure payments",etc.
I can picture pennz in a youtube video, crying "leavebritneythe bankers alone!" while drinking his own tears.
Thing is, if the same case had lawyers (what pennz could never be), politicians or whatnot, pennz would be holding a torch in anger and taking no prisoners. Scary.
Pennz is like the cadillac salesman that would look down on someone telling him "you could never afford one of these cars, sir" to a potential customer, forgetting that he couldn't afford it as well. Pennz is like the snobby server in a top of the line restaurant who looks down on a client for not ordering the most expensive wine, when he couldn't even buy a beer himself.
Pennz, I got bad news for you, you're not "one of them", and you will never be one of them. You're a pawn in that industry, and your level of arrogance and ignorance will never let you progress. I will kick myself in the balls if you ever become one of those CEO's or bankers earning say, 700K a year.
Dude, he quit law school because he didn't like it. Not because he couldn't hack it. Get your facts straight.
actually i didnt quit at all. i did the course, didnt like it, and so didnt pursue it as a career. but lets not let a crazy thing like factual accuracy get in the way of rod/the edge/whatever other various alter egos hes pretended to be over the years
BOOM!
Told you so millie. Either pennz is a liar or you just defended him because, it's me who is wiping the floor with his ass.
If I ever needed proof of people like you replying differently when it's me who made a post, this is it. You lost all legitimity to tell me shit again, not that you ever had it. Who needed to get his "facts" straight now?
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That's all exactly what Pennz said, except for one thing has apparently had a change of name.The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
And just to make you look stupid, not that you don't always.
"If you studied a non-law degree but wish to become a lawyer, you must take a conversion course known as the graduate diploma in law (GDL). Some institutions refer to it as the common professional exam, but this is the old name and the terms are now used interchangeably."
http://www.lawcareers.net/Barristers/CPEGDL.aspx
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The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
Man that shit is so god damn convoluted. Here's so straight forward. Write the LSAT. 3 years of education. 1 year of articling and CPLED. badda-bing badda-boom (yes Olds, I did just say that), you're a Barrister and a Solicitor.
The only thing that kept me in law though was the thought that being a barrister was pretty cool. I definitely couldn't be a solicitor.
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Although apparently I'm both. Wally T. Boner. Barrister and Solicitor
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dude we are so fucked. the lawyers are going to be all that's left.
i love that all the economists here are talking shit like, 'run the deficit up, keynes. who gives a fuck. we'll deal with it when we need to. right now we need growth!'.
i didn't realize 'growth' was something you could just manufacture out of thin air.
i swear to god the fucking US is like a bunch of heroin addicts trying to get another fix 'until they have time to quit'.
living in seattle, i'm finding a new respect for kurt cobain and the idea of eating a shotgun discharge.
i love that all the economists here are talking shit like, 'run the deficit up, keynes. who gives a fuck. we'll deal with it when we need to. right now we need growth!'.
i didn't realize 'growth' was something you could just manufacture out of thin air.
i swear to god the fucking US is like a bunch of heroin addicts trying to get another fix 'until they have time to quit'.
living in seattle, i'm finding a new respect for kurt cobain and the idea of eating a shotgun discharge.
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The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
well done on going on wikipedia or wherever in a desperate attempt to look credible.
firslty, the GDL is the new name for the CPE. You ask any lawyer who's been practising more than about 3 years and they'll only know it as the CPE. But wikipedia wont tell you that because wikipedia wont know that.
secondly, the GDL/CPE is regarded as the most difficult stage of becoming a lawyer, you know that whole 3 year degree condensed into 1 year thing....maybe before you start slating it without having a clue you should realise the best ones are constructed by allen & overy, clifford chance and all the other major law firms that you'll never work for. again, wikipedia wont tell you that.
thirdly, any solicitor can stand up in court and argue, and often do. a solicitor advocate is not some kind of special title only some people have. but again, wikipedia wouldnt know that.
A+ for effort Rod. C- for content
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dunnas wrote:That's all exactly what Pennz said, except for one thing has apparently had a change of name.The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
And just to make you look stupid, not that you don't always.
"If you studied a non-law degree but wish to become a lawyer, you must take a conversion course known as the graduate diploma in law (GDL). Some institutions refer to it as the common professional exam, but this is the old name and the terms are now used interchangeably."
http://www.lawcareers.net/Barristers/CPEGDL.aspx
A couple lines with 3 character acronyms =/= my post.
You know dunners, we've gone through this whole "you only join flame wars rather than flaming me directly and that is why I don't have the least bit of respect for your fat ass", "go back to jack off in your mom's pub restroom", "you're like a hemorroid in pennz's anus" etc etc routine. No use in wasting time.
I am just going to add that it is quite disturbing how you actually did research on this (for who knows how much time, and probably looking for the names I put in the post) and how you're taking waaaaayyy too much effort for you know, "not caring" and "ignoring me" and all those things you promised to do.
If you think my explanation on what pennz couldn't expose properly is stupid, it just shows how clouded is your judgement.
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Pennzoil GT-R wrote:The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
well done on going on wikipedia or wherever in a desperate attempt to look credible.
firslty, the GDL is the new name for the CPE. You ask any lawyer who's been practising more than about 3 years and they'll only know it as the CPE. But wikipedia wont tell you that because wikipedia wont know that.
"Firslty", I guess wikipedia is where you looked that up? Too bad some of us had, you know, a real legal education, can back up our claims, and do not need to go to wikipedia. You said a fucking solicitor needed to pass the bar exam, stop talking as if you knew anything remotely related to law. There is a reason you couldn't make it. Oh by the way, we're using you know, a more widely used version of English, where we do not say "practising" or "colour" or do prince Charles piercings in our sexual organs, so try to adapt.
secondly, the GDL/CPE is regarded as the most difficult stage of becoming a lawyer, you know that whole 3 year degree condensed into 1 year thing....maybe before you start slating it without having a clue you should realise the best ones are constructed by allen & overy, clifford chance and all the other major law firms that you'll never work for. again, wikipedia wont tell you that.
The firms I will never work for huh? Because you... wait, you never had what it takes to finish law, let alone work in a law firm. It's funny how first you always said I could never get into a law school. Then you said how I never would finish it. Then you said it was a Mexican one, and I'd never, ever even study in an American law school. Then you said I'd never finish. Then you said it was probably a shitty one. Now you say how I'll never work in a specific law firm. Keep changing your troll-goals, I will wait until the goal becomes as specific and narrow as "you will never have sex with "x" law firm's top partner's second daughter in a full moon filled with pepto bismol while winning a case".
thirdly, any solicitor can stand up in court and argue, and often do. a solicitor advocate is not some kind of special title only some people have. but again, wikipedia wouldnt know that.
Are you arguing to me that a solicitor can represent a client in litigation, in a higher court, with a straight face? Better check wikipedia again buddy...
A+ for effort Rod. C- for content
Too bad your last post had F for content ("do the abc and then the 123 lulz") and F for effort. This one has A+ for effort and F for content. But that pretty much describes your law career.
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Hey pennz, care to explain us again how is it that SOLICITORS have to pass the bar exam in your country?
Ok, explain us the whole porsche difuser fiasco again.
Also explain us how England could have won WW II single handedly.
Explain us how poor and distressed are those top bankers again.
Now... after you try to explain all those idiotic statements you made in the past, which have been cause of much laughter for many of us, add a new one to the list and try to explain it:
"A solictor can represent a client, in litigation, by himself, in a higher court".
Ok, explain us the whole porsche difuser fiasco again.
Also explain us how England could have won WW II single handedly.
Explain us how poor and distressed are those top bankers again.
Now... after you try to explain all those idiotic statements you made in the past, which have been cause of much laughter for many of us, add a new one to the list and try to explain it:
"A solictor can represent a client, in litigation, by himself, in a higher court".
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The_Edge wrote:dunnas wrote:That's all exactly what Pennz said, except for one thing has apparently had a change of name.The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
And just to make you look stupid, not that you don't always.
"If you studied a non-law degree but wish to become a lawyer, you must take a conversion course known as the graduate diploma in law (GDL). Some institutions refer to it as the common professional exam, but this is the old name and the terms are now used interchangeably."
http://www.lawcareers.net/Barristers/CPEGDL.aspx
A couple lines with 3 character acronyms =/= my post.
You know dunners, we've gone through this whole "you only join flame wars rather than flaming me directly and that is why I don't have the least bit of respect for your fat ass", "go back to jack off in your mom's pub restroom", "you're like a hemorroid in pennz's anus" etc etc routine. No use in wasting time.
The fact that it is pennz post is irrelevant. You called someone out on being incredibly wrong and then proceeded to say the same thing, only in 20 times more words.
I am just going to add that it is quite disturbing how you actually did research on this (for who knows how much time, and probably looking for the names I put in the post) and how you're taking waaaaayyy too much effort for you know, "not caring" and "ignoring me" and all those things you promised to do.
Research? I was going to post just my first line but then I thought, "I'm sure Pennz knows what he's talking about here", so I may as well prove that wrong too as it was the only thing you may have been correct on. I typed 'CPE now GPD' into google and a pile of sites came up that proved that the two were still used interchangeably. I picked one of the first couple of sites listed and used that one. No, I would not call that research any more than if you said Elephant was spelled with an F and I posted a link to Dictionary.com.
If you think my explanation on what pennz couldn't expose properly is stupid, it just shows how clouded is your judgement.
You said the same thing as Pennz did, just in 10 times the number of words. Expanding on it would have been a perfectly fine thing to do to give Wally more info. There was nothing about Pennz's post that was incorrect though, unless you were also incorrect. How do you not understand these simple concepts?
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just ignore the fucker.
rod, dont you understand why noone wants you here? literally any thread you post in you instantly turn into a bitch fest.
rod, dont you understand why noone wants you here? literally any thread you post in you instantly turn into a bitch fest.
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Pennzoil GT-R wrote:just ignore the fucker.
rod, dont you understand why noone wants you here? literally any thread you post in you instantly turn into a bitch fest.
Once I give you the hard questions, you resort to the "ignore" rule you break so often. Just fucking "ignore" me all the time and not only when I ask stuff you cannot answer, mr. 1 year of law education.
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Sure, because everybody knows what "GPD" means, with no explanation, and out of context, right? For all we know, GPD could mean "Gobble Pussy Dunnas", because all law students in the UK study how you went down on a hooker.dunnas wrote:The_Edge wrote:dunnas wrote:That's all exactly what Pennz said, except for one thing has apparently had a change of name.The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
And just to make you look stupid, not that you don't always.
"If you studied a non-law degree but wish to become a lawyer, you must take a conversion course known as the graduate diploma in law (GDL). Some institutions refer to it as the common professional exam, but this is the old name and the terms are now used interchangeably."
http://www.lawcareers.net/Barristers/CPEGDL.aspx
A couple lines with 3 character acronyms =/= my post.
You know dunners, we've gone through this whole "you only join flame wars rather than flaming me directly and that is why I don't have the least bit of respect for your fat ass", "go back to jack off in your mom's pub restroom", "you're like a hemorroid in pennz's anus" etc etc routine. No use in wasting time.
The fact that it is pennz post is irrelevant. You called someone out on being incredibly wrong and then proceeded to say the same thing, only in 20 times more words.
No, I said his post SUCKS. It does. I pointed how it is a bunch of acronyms, which he might have gotten from the brochure he read when he decided to enroll. He forgot the name changed. Please do re-post here where I said "pennz, your post is incredibly wrong". Or "Pennz, I call you out, you're incredibly wrong". Maybe when you went down on that hooker, you got a STD and it fucked up your brain.
I am just going to add that it is quite disturbing how you actually did research on this (for who knows how much time, and probably looking for the names I put in the post) and how you're taking waaaaayyy too much effort for you know, "not caring" and "ignoring me" and all those things you promised to do.
Research? I was going to post just my first line but then I thought, "I'm sure Pennz knows what he's talking about here", so I may as well prove that wrong too as it was the only thing you may have been correct on. I typed 'CPE now GPD' into google and a pile of sites came up that proved that the two were still used interchangeably. I picked one of the first couple of sites listed and used that one. No, I would not call that research any more than if you said Elephant was spelled with an F and I posted a link to Dictionary.com.
Yeah right.... I bet you used the complete names I posted. CPE could mean anything. Again, you're known for going to the old AF's search engien for hours just to try to prove me wrong on things. You always go the extra mile on that, good thing "you don't care". Have you ever thought that if you stopped joining others discussions vs. me, I'd mock you less if you left me alone?
If you think my explanation on what pennz couldn't expose properly is stupid, it just shows how clouded is your judgement.
You said the same thing as Pennz did, just in 10 times the number of words. Expanding on it would have been a perfectly fine thing to do to give Wally more info. There was nothing about Pennz's post that was incorrect though, unless you were also incorrect. How do you not understand these simple concepts?
Don't tell me posting 3 letter acronyms was an adequate answer because it was now. If I had done it, you would have had a field day.
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The_Edge wrote:Hey pennz, care to explain us again how is it that SOLICITORS have to pass the bar exam in your country?
dont make shit up you fucking lunatic. i spent a year studying to BE a solicitor i know exactly what exams they have to pass
Ok, explain us the whole porsche difuser fiasco again.
YOU were the only one who saw any fiasco in that, and dont for a second pretend you have any fucking clue how aerodynamics of any sort work. what was a very basic typo is something you've brought up time and time again for years now. three words...get over it
Also explain us how England could have won WW II single handedly.
pretty much any historian would tell you the allies would have won the war eventually if america hadnt gotten involved. noone ever said england could have won it on their own. you're just making shit up, again
Explain us how poor and distressed are those top bankers again.
keep your mouth shut about an industry you know absolutely nothing about, and apparently have no opinion about. your sum total of involvement in this thread has been to cause arguments....as usual
Now... after you try to explain all those idiotic statements you made in the past, which have been cause of much laughter for many of us, add a new one to the list and try to explain it:
"A solictor can represent a client, in litigation, by himself, in a higher court".
a solicitor can represent a client in any court you dumb fuck. firstly, i never said anything about which court they can represent clients in, AGAIN you made that shit up yourself. however, if you want to 'show off', get your damn facts straight. the whole point of solicitor advocates is that they CAN represent clients in any court
I'd love Jayson to have a look through all your posts on this site and see how many of them are steering towards/in the course of bitchfests. I suspect if he did he'd ban your sorry ass pretty quick. In lieu of this however, I'll take you up on that offer of ignoring you. This board, unlike the last, apparently has the option to ignore certain members.
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What the acronyms meant really wasn't as important as the number of courses and the length of time for each, plus he showed the differentiation between the courses for a solicitor and a Barrister. You could of just elaborated for Wally without insulting Pennz if you felt Wally deserved a better answer.The_Edge wrote:Sure, because everybody knows what "GPD" means, with no explanation, and out of context, right? For all we know, GPD could mean "Gobble Pussy Dunnas", because all law students in the UK study how you went down on a hooker.dunnas wrote:The_Edge wrote:dunnas wrote:That's all exactly what Pennz said, except for one thing has apparently had a change of name.The_Edge wrote:Pennzoil GT-R wrote:TheWoerus wrote:You were going to do just the Solicitor side of things? I have no idea how the fuck things work over there.
here you do either a 3 year law degree/1-2 year CPE, then a 1 year LPC, then 2 years of articles in a law firm.
I did the 1 year CPE and didnt like it enough to pay £25,000 to spend a year doing the LPC when i wasn't sure i wanted to be a lawyer at the end of it.
fyi if you want to be a barrister replace the LPC with the BVC and the law firm with chambers
Wow... worst answer ever. It is not that bad, considering it came from the guy who told me that SOLICITORS needed to pass a bar exam in England.
I am maybe being a little too harsh, considering the kid has not had a real legal education per se. Pennz, you said before that I "never add anything of value to the board, so how about I stop just going around bitching at everyone and add something of use for a change?" Fair enough. Rather than defending 700K earning bankers and bawling how unfortunate they are, I will give wally a real answer for what you couldn't respond:
In England, first you have to get your "Graduate Diploma in Law." This was formerly called the "Common Professional Exam", but I guess pennzie wasn't aware of the name change. It is regarded as a conversion course, because you can have a degree on any subject (say, hair styling, origami or trying to look like Ivan Drago) and then go for this degree. After sucessfully completing this introductory course, to-be solicitors study the "Legal Practice Counsel" course, which also lasts one year usually. Then to-be solicitors have to serve as articling students for a time. (Of course, if you find the INTRODUCTORY GDL course too hard, you might as well call it quits and try to become a banker or troll in message boards and not continue with the LPC)
Solicitors redact legal documents, make contracts, etc. They are not supposed to represent their clients in higher courts (except for solictor advocates).
Differently from the abovementioned solicitors, barristers study the Bar Vocational Course and then become members of the "Inns of the Court". They also need to do some "articling" of their own (even thought it is not called articling).
And just to make you look stupid, not that you don't always.
"If you studied a non-law degree but wish to become a lawyer, you must take a conversion course known as the graduate diploma in law (GDL). Some institutions refer to it as the common professional exam, but this is the old name and the terms are now used interchangeably."
http://www.lawcareers.net/Barristers/CPEGDL.aspx
A couple lines with 3 character acronyms =/= my post.
You know dunners, we've gone through this whole "you only join flame wars rather than flaming me directly and that is why I don't have the least bit of respect for your fat ass", "go back to jack off in your mom's pub restroom", "you're like a hemorroid in pennz's anus" etc etc routine. No use in wasting time.
The fact that it is pennz post is irrelevant. You called someone out on being incredibly wrong and then proceeded to say the same thing, only in 20 times more words.
No, I said his post SUCKS. It does. I pointed how it is a bunch of acronyms, which he might have gotten from the brochure he read when he decided to enroll. He forgot the name changed. Please do re-post here where I said "pennz, your post is incredibly wrong". Or "Pennz, I call you out, you're incredibly wrong". Maybe when you went down on that hooker, you got a STD and it fucked up your brain.
I am just going to add that it is quite disturbing how you actually did research on this (for who knows how much time, and probably looking for the names I put in the post) and how you're taking waaaaayyy too much effort for you know, "not caring" and "ignoring me" and all those things you promised to do.
Research? I was going to post just my first line but then I thought, "I'm sure Pennz knows what he's talking about here", so I may as well prove that wrong too as it was the only thing you may have been correct on. I typed 'CPE now GPD' into google and a pile of sites came up that proved that the two were still used interchangeably. I picked one of the first couple of sites listed and used that one. No, I would not call that research any more than if you said Elephant was spelled with an F and I posted a link to Dictionary.com.
Yeah right.... I bet you used the complete names I posted. CPE could mean anything. Again, you're known for going to the old AF's search engien for hours just to try to prove me wrong on things. You always go the extra mile on that, good thing "you don't care". Have you ever thought that if you stopped joining others discussions vs. me, I'd mock you less if you left me alone?
If you think my explanation on what pennz couldn't expose properly is stupid, it just shows how clouded is your judgement.
You said the same thing as Pennz did, just in 10 times the number of words. Expanding on it would have been a perfectly fine thing to do to give Wally more info. There was nothing about Pennz's post that was incorrect though, unless you were also incorrect. How do you not understand these simple concepts?
Don't tell me posting 3 letter acronyms was an adequate answer because it was now. If I had done it, you would have had a field day.
Yeah right.... I bet you used the complete names I posted. CPE could mean anything. Again, you're known for going to the old AF's search engien for hours just to try to prove me wrong on things. You always go the extra mile on that, good thing "you don't care". Have you ever thought that if you stopped joining others discussions vs. me, I'd mock you less if you left me alone?
Why on earth would I use the complete names? If you use just one of the acronyms in a google search then sure, it may find a pile of different sites with different meanings, but if you use both of them in the same search you'll find exactly what you're looking for. Why don't you actually just try it? I'd say you only make yourself look stupider saying something that is so easily proved wrong, but that's really not possible anymore.
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Rod, you're going off on everyone who isn't you right now, and it's becoming tedious. let's all just calm down.
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Pennzoil GT-R wrote:I'd love Jayson to have a look through all your posts on this site and see how many of them are steering towards/in the course of bitchfests. I suspect if he did he'd ban your sorry ass pretty quick. In lieu of this however, I'll take you up on that offer of ignoring you. This board, unlike the last, apparently has the option to ignore certain members.
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I'd much rather see people work out their own differences or use the aforementioned ignore feature. I don't want to keep using the banhammer...it's cheap, and it's silly to have to go to that resort. I used it once before because the those involved refused to use the ignore feature and kept derailing threads by going at each other, and others kept complaining about it and I had to delete a lot of stuff, but I want to keep from that if I can.
big_jesus wrote:Rod, you're going off on everyone who isn't you right now, and it's becoming tedious. let's all just calm down.
+5000000. We're all grown ups and we don't have to make this shithole any worse than what forumotion already does.
Re: Wall Street Fat Cats Are Trying to Pocket Billions in Bailout Cash
big_jesus wrote:Rod, you're going off on everyone who isn't you right now, and it's becoming tedious. let's all just calm down.
ok
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Re: Wall Street Fat Cats Are Trying to Pocket Billions in Bailout Cash
Damn. I just spent about thirty seconds looking around for the ignore function. I hate metaphorical shit that could easily be real.
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Re: Wall Street Fat Cats Are Trying to Pocket Billions in Bailout Cash
Swerve wrote:Damn. I just spent about thirty seconds looking around for the ignore function. I hate metaphorical shit that could easily be real.
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