Ron Paul is a moron.

If he honestly believes that the "two parties are essentially the same".

Fine, don't support either party right now, if neither follow your beliefs. But there's a clear and distinct choice right now.

he's just another tool. he's doing this to help the republican party w/o pissing off his supporters.

from CNN:

Paul attacked Obama, saying, "He's not for change," and the congressman argued that his efforts would help the Republican Party.

"If the Republican side realized what I'm trying to do, they should be funding me," Paul said.

honestly, that move negates all of his former legitimacy

One reason why the parties are not the same. One wreaks of pure hypocrisy.


McCain blames bridge to nowhere on video

And the thing is that saying Obama isn't for change is simply idiotic. He is for change. A brief perusal of his policies would show even a high school social science student that. It's just not the 'change' Paul wants to see, so he just attacks Obama in the usual manner.

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:One reason why the parties are not the same. One wreaks of pure hypocrisy.


McCain blames bridge to nowhere on video

hahaha it's ridiculous that the only people reading about this, or concerned about this, are probably people who are smart enough to vote against McCain / Palin anyway.

ron is a smart guy, but he's angry and impractical.

As much as people may like the shoot-from-the-hip style, it's a largely personal reaction and shouldn't be used when attempting to represent an entire country.

A rational, measured approach is necessary.

I think folks find him more entertaining than insightful. Although that's probably equally true about Obama.

911 wrote:As much as people may like the shoot-from-the-hip style, it's a largely personal reaction and shouldn't be used when attempting to represent an entire country.

A rational, measured approach is necessary.

I think folks find him more entertaining than insightful. Although that's probably equally true about Obama.

Why is that equally true about Obama? I'm sick and tired of hearing people say that he's all flash and no substance.

Exactly Wally Obama is clear and has validated his substance. Palin has nothing but lies and hypocrisy. She is one old man's heartbeat away from the Presidency and having her religious fundi fingers on 6,000 U.S. nukes. McCain is proving he will do anything JUST TO WIN this time after the Republicans effed him over in 2000. How is that being a maverick?

Even if you don't like obama and think there is no substance........no substance is better than palin potentially president. Christ that is some scary shit.

TheWoerus wrote:

911 wrote:As much as people may like the shoot-from-the-hip style, it's a largely personal reaction and shouldn't be used when attempting to represent an entire country.

A rational, measured approach is necessary.

I think folks find him more entertaining than insightful. Although that's probably equally true about Obama.

Why is that equally true about Obama? I'm sick and tired of hearing people say that he's all flash and no substance.

He may have ideas but I'm not so sure the general public really knows.

TheWoerus wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:One reason why the parties are not the same. One wreaks of pure hypocrisy.


McCain blames bridge to nowhere on video

hahaha it's ridiculous that the only people reading about this, or concerned about this, are probably people who are smart enough to vote against McCain / Palin anyway.

It's amazing...over on my right-leaning Camaro board, there have been discussions about things like this. Most of the right-wingers though (not all...I've actually seen a few people there provide some refreshing insight that I may not agree with but at least understand) just drink the kool-aid and believe everything Fox News tells them and make excuses for why a situation like that is different when it applies to the Pubes but is evil when the Dems do it. Most of them honestly and with all of their heart believe that Fox News plays everything right down the middle, shows no bias at all, and fairly represents all views. Just amazing to see.

JaysonAych wrote:

TheWoerus wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:One reason why the parties are not the same. One wreaks of pure hypocrisy.


McCain blames bridge to nowhere on video

hahaha it's ridiculous that the only people reading about this, or concerned about this, are probably people who are smart enough to vote against McCain / Palin anyway.

It's amazing...over on my right-leaning Camaro board, there have been discussions about things like this. Most of the right-wingers though (not all...I've actually seen a few people there provide some refreshing insight that I may not agree with but at least understand) just drink the kool-aid and believe everything Fox News tells them and make excuses for why a situation like that is different when it applies to the Pubes but is evil when the Dems do it. Most of them honestly and with all of their heart believe that Fox News plays everything right down the middle, shows no bias at all, and fairly represents all views. Just amazing to see.

TheWoerus wrote:

JaysonAych wrote:

TheWoerus wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:One reason why the parties are not the same. One wreaks of pure hypocrisy.


McCain blames bridge to nowhere on video

hahaha it's ridiculous that the only people reading about this, or concerned about this, are probably people who are smart enough to vote against McCain / Palin anyway.

It's amazing...over on my right-leaning Camaro board, there have been discussions about things like this. Most of the right-wingers though (not all...I've actually seen a few people there provide some refreshing insight that I may not agree with but at least understand) just drink the kool-aid and believe everything Fox News tells them and make excuses for why a situation like that is different when it applies to the Pubes but is evil when the Dems do it. Most of them honestly and with all of their heart believe that Fox News plays everything right down the middle, shows no bias at all, and fairly represents all views. Just amazing to see.

What's great is when you try to prove those kinds of people wrong with something. If the source is any news outlet other than Fox News, they won't believe it...all of the other news outlets like CNN, the Associated Press, ABC News, Reuters, whatever...every single other one of them all have LIEberal bias. I saw someone back up their claim with a well-written well-sourced Wikipedia article, and they just dismissed it because LIEberals know how to edit Wikipedia or something.

I don't get too confrontational because I've seen how unwilling they are to listening to different ideas, and I know it's like kicking water uphill, but damn. Just

JaysonAych wrote:

TheWoerus wrote:

JaysonAych wrote:

TheWoerus wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:One reason why the parties are not the same. One wreaks of pure hypocrisy.


McCain blames bridge to nowhere on video

hahaha it's ridiculous that the only people reading about this, or concerned about this, are probably people who are smart enough to vote against McCain / Palin anyway.

It's amazing...over on my right-leaning Camaro board, there have been discussions about things like this. Most of the right-wingers though (not all...I've actually seen a few people there provide some refreshing insight that I may not agree with but at least understand) just drink the kool-aid and believe everything Fox News tells them and make excuses for why a situation like that is different when it applies to the Pubes but is evil when the Dems do it. Most of them honestly and with all of their heart believe that Fox News plays everything right down the middle, shows no bias at all, and fairly represents all views. Just amazing to see.

What's great is when you try to prove those kinds of people wrong with something. If the source is any news outlet other than Fox News, they won't believe it...all of the other news outlets like CNN, the Associated Press, ABC News, Reuters, whatever...every single other one of them all have LIEberal bias. I saw someone back up their claim with a well-written well-sourced Wikipedia article, and they just dismissed it because LIEberals know how to edit Wikipedia or something.

I don't get too confrontational because I've seen how unwilling they are to listening to different ideas, and I know it's like kicking water uphill, but damn. Just

That really makes one worry about the state of the nation. Most Americans seem to have neither the desire, nor the ability, to think critically about anything.

TheWoerus wrote:

JaysonAych wrote:

TheWoerus wrote:

JaysonAych wrote:

TheWoerus wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:One reason why the parties are not the same. One wreaks of pure hypocrisy.


McCain blames bridge to nowhere on video

hahaha it's ridiculous that the only people reading about this, or concerned about this, are probably people who are smart enough to vote against McCain / Palin anyway.

It's amazing...over on my right-leaning Camaro board, there have been discussions about things like this. Most of the right-wingers though (not all...I've actually seen a few people there provide some refreshing insight that I may not agree with but at least understand) just drink the kool-aid and believe everything Fox News tells them and make excuses for why a situation like that is different when it applies to the Pubes but is evil when the Dems do it. Most of them honestly and with all of their heart believe that Fox News plays everything right down the middle, shows no bias at all, and fairly represents all views. Just amazing to see.

What's great is when you try to prove those kinds of people wrong with something. If the source is any news outlet other than Fox News, they won't believe it...all of the other news outlets like CNN, the Associated Press, ABC News, Reuters, whatever...every single other one of them all have LIEberal bias. I saw someone back up their claim with a well-written well-sourced Wikipedia article, and they just dismissed it because LIEberals know how to edit Wikipedia or something.

I don't get too confrontational because I've seen how unwilling they are to listening to different ideas, and I know it's like kicking water uphill, but damn. Just

That really makes one worry about the state of the nation. Most Americans seem to have neither the desire, nor the ability, to think critically about anything.

Sadly I think you may be right

If women actually decide to vote for Palin because they share the same gender I'm going to lose it.

Only the dumbest women will vote for her because of that. Anyone who was a Clinton supporter for the right reasons would never even consider voting for Palin.

Omni wrote:Only the dumbest women will vote for her because of that. Anyone who was a Clinton supporter for the right reasons would never even consider voting for Palin.

"Polls" say that Obama went from leading among white women against McCain to being behind by double digits since Palin was nominated.


:jay:

McCain's going to win. I can just feel it. I know it's early and polls are close and everything, but I've just got a feeling. Probably because I lost hope in humanity long ago, and I don't understand how things are even close. In this American Idol nation, I can just sense that the ditzy and substanceless is going to win out.

I agree. It's going to be awesome.

palin practically wants to send all gays and atheists to the gas chambers

I watched this C-SPAN video of the debates from the Alaska Governor race when she was running. Her answers when it came to personal rights issues on things like abortion and assisted suicides were basically that she totally respects people's opinions on those issues and those are deeply personal matters that everyone should be allowed to handle in their own ways, as long as the government says they're illegal.

JaysonAych wrote:McCain's going to win. I can just feel it. I know it's early and polls are close and everything, but I've just got a feeling. Probably because I lost hope in humanity long ago, and I don't understand how things are even close. In this American Idol nation, I can just sense that the ditzy and substanceless is going to win out.

The American Idol nation will more likely support Obama than McCain. Obama/Biden will win on Nov. 4 2008

TheWoerus wrote:If women actually decide to vote for Palin because they share the same gender I'm going to lose it.

A majority of women will swing towards Obama by Nov. 4 2008. They will see Palin is not who they are trying to make her out to be and the issues will become more clear, issues that more women will share in common with Obama than with McCain.