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Post by Honor on Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:43 am

Journalist Michael Hastings’ body was reportedly cremated by Los Angeles authorities against his family’s wishes, destroying possible evidence of his mysterious death in a car accident on June 18.

Hastings was killed when his Mercedes crashed into a tree at a high speed and exploded.

Only hours earlier, Hastings sent an email to friends at Buzzfeed.com stating that he was “onto a big story” and had “to go off the radar for a bit.” He also warned his colleagues that they might be questioned about him by authorities.

“A close family friend did confirm that Michael’s body was sent home in an urn, meaning he was cremated and it wasn’t the request of the family ... in fact the family wanted Michael’s body to go home," said San Diego 6 reporter Kimberly Dvorak on Sunday (video below).

According to Dvorak, Hastings spoke with an unidentified attorney before his death who has all the details about the story Hastings was working on when he died.

Hastings had not told his wife about the story “because he said he wanted to protect her from knowing anything so if anything were to happen to him nothing could happen to her,” said Dvorak.

"Despite the LAPD's categorization of the Hasting fatal accident as a 'no [evidence of] foul play,' LAPD continues to ignore FOIA [CPRA in Calif.] requests made by San Diego 6 News for the police report, 9/11 call, autopsy, bomb squad and toxicology reports, or make the Mercedes available for inspection which only fuels conjecture," added Dvorak.

Dvorak also claimed that she has been threatened for investigating Hastings’ death.

For unknown reasons, the LAPD and Los Angeles firefighters were told not to talk to the media about Hastings’ death.

Former White House counter-terrorism expert Richard Clarke stated in June that Hastings' car crash was “consistent with a car cyber attack," in which an automobile is actually controlled by a third party electronically.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/transportation/cars/journalist-michael-hastings-body-cremated-authorities-against-familys
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Post by Pennzoil GT-R on Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:15 am

Lol. The LAPD took over the car remotely and crashed it. Seriously.

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Post by thewalrus on Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:49 pm

Yeah. They're hiding nothing. But conspiracy theorists and attention seeking journalists will love this in any event.

I mean seriously - what sense does it make to kill someone by remotely highjacking a car and crashing it into a tree. If you really wanted to get rid of someone, there are literally thousands of better, more efficient, and less noticable methods of doing just that.

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Re: So what is the LAPD hiding?

Post by Honor on Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:54 pm

So why cremate the body against the family's wishes, forbid anyone from talking to the media, and threaten someone investigating the death and generally just be a pain in the ass? Controlling the car remotely is ridiculous though. There are lots of conspiracies and cover ups out there happening all the time though, and they bank on the fact that alot of people will react just like you did.
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Post by Honor on Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:06 pm

Who knows whats true and not true though. The way the story presents the facts looks suspicious as hell though. But I suppose that is the point.
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Post by Tailhappy on Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:01 pm

He was probably mostly cremated inside the car anyways. WTF did they want, an open casket?
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Re: So what is the LAPD hiding?

Post by Honor on Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:11 pm

They wanted an autopsy.
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Post by Tailhappy on Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:45 pm

He died of burning. Case closed.
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Post by SBF on Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:45 pm

:roflmao: 
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Re: So what is the LAPD hiding?

Post by thewalrus on Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:39 pm

Honor wrote:So why cremate the body against the family's wishes, forbid anyone from talking to the media, and threaten someone investigating the death and generally just be a pain in the ass? Controlling the car remotely is ridiculous though. There are lots of conspiracies and cover ups out there happening all the time though, and they bank on the fact that alot of people will react just like you did.

There are lots of reasons why police departments want to keep information confidential. Not all of them are because the police department is set on murdering journalists via vast, and overly complex master plans.
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Post by thewalrus on Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:41 pm

Honor wrote: There are lots of conspiracies and cover ups out there happening all the time though, and they bank on the fact that alot of people will react just like you did.

What evidence do you have about these conspiracies and cover.... oh.... wait. Yeah.
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Re: So what is the LAPD hiding?

Post by Honor on Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:57 pm

It's not evidence so much as it is that I know how fucked up people are. There are lots of selfish, greedy, morally corrupt people out there doing shit theyre not supposed to do all the time. Sometimes they get caught, sometimes they don't.
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Post by Pennzoil GT-R on Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:00 am

And the ones that are corrupt and doing shit theyre not supposed to generally don't have access to cutting edge remote hacking technology. This is the LAPD were talking about here, not CIA black ops.

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Post by thewalrus on Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:53 am

Pennzoil GT-R wrote:And the ones that are corrupt and doing shit theyre not supposed to generally don't have access to cutting edge remote hacking technology.  This is the LAPD were talking about here, not CIA black ops.

yeah. And they're usually acting on their own for their own personal gain (or with a small number of compatriots). Skimming money off the books. Stealing drugs. Planting evidence etc. Not that that's common either.
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Post by Honor on Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:16 pm

So the guy was onto a big story and feared for his life, is later killed in unknown circumstances, and the lapd wont say a word and threatens people asking about it. Nothing to cover up here. I'm sure the guy was just investigating a dog show or something.
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Post by thewalrus on Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:34 pm

Honor wrote:So the guy was onto a big story and feared for his life, is later killed in unknown circumstances, and the lapd wont say a word and threatens people asking about it. Nothing to cover up here. I'm sure the guy was just investigating a dog show or something.


Where does it say that the LAPD threatened anyone.  All that reporter claims is that she WAS threatened.  Even if that's true - it's pretty clear, at least based on that article, that she didn't know who threatened her.  But you jumped to a conclusion that's required to support, or enhance your own conspiracy theory.

Lets go further - even if it was the LAPD that threatened her - she doesn't say how they did it.  Did they threaten her life?  Or did they threaten her with legal action?  If the latter, I fail to see how that's necessarily an issue.  If the former, why didn't she explicitely say that?

Dude - from what I see here, you're reading between the lines and filling in blanks with the information necessary to maintain the conspiracy theory.  You aren't approaching it critically.

How do we know that this guy wasn't investigating organized criminal activity - and that they're the ones that killed him (if this was even a homicide in the first place) - and that the LAPD is being secretive about it because disclosing information could put their current investigation into jeopardy, and potentially put their own officers in harms way?
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Re: So what is the LAPD hiding?

Post by Honor on Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:23 pm

Sure, just seems fishy that they cremated the guy against the family's wishes, won't answer any questions,and allegedly threatened someone about it (legally or otherwise). For somebody with nothing to hide, they sure seem to be hiding something.

Who lnows all the facts. It's obvious the way the article is written is trying to imply it's a conspiracy. Didn't that Christopher Donner guy accuse the LAPD of some kind of conspiracy too?
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Post by thewalrus on Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:44 pm

Honor wrote:Sure, just seems fishy that they cremated the guy against the family's wishes, won't answer any questions,and allegedly threatened someone about it (legally or otherwise). For somebody with nothing to hide, they sure seem to be hiding something.

Who lnows all the facts. It's obvious the way the article is written is trying to imply it's a conspiracy. Didn't that Christopher Donner guy accuse the LAPD of some kind of conspiracy too?

Who cremated his remains? And why? Was it the LAPD? Was it the Medical Examiner's Office? What are their policies regarding the disposal of human remains? What is their policy with regard to the disposal of remains that are burned beyond recongition? How long after the accident did the family request the body? Just because the family wants something to happen doesn't mean that the LAPD, the Medical Examiner's office or any other government dept or agency is required to abide by their wishes.

And similarly - just because a police force doesn't answer questions doesn't mean they're hiding untoward behavior. Secrecy and privilege are cornerstones of law enforcement - and there are all sorts of good policy and public safety reasons for that. So, yes, the LAPD might be refusing to disclose something - but, even if they are, that doesn't actually mean much.
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Post by Honor on Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:31 pm

I thought the family always had the right to an autopsy.
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Post by thewalrus on Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:02 pm

Honor wrote:I thought the family always had the right to an autopsy.

I don't know if they do or not. That would be in the legislation of California. If there's already been a ruling on cause of death, by an expert, why would the state bother with an autopsy?

And even if they do, I'm still far more likely to say that human error resulted in the cremation prior to autopsy, than any nefarious reasons. And I say that as someone who's intimately familiar with how often, and how severely, government screws up.
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Post by thewalrus on Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:14 pm

http://coroner.co.la.ca.us/lacoronr.htm#Decision

Summary - the coroner determines whether an autopsy is necessary. I would be surprised to find that the family could demand an autopsy - given the expense and time required to perform one.
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Post by Turbojett on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:33 pm

family can demand an autopsy, but I think they have to foot the bill.

but yes, there's something fishy going on around here.
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