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Post by Les_Vipers_rule on Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:57 pm

You have been elevated to the Commissioner title you have the power to make rules or change rules, what are some?

Me:


1: Moving to a greater interlocking schedule. teams will play the 4 other teams in their division 6 times per season (total 24 games). The 10 other teams in your conference 3 times per season (30 games in total). The 15 teams in the other conference 2 times per year (30 games total) bringing the season to 84 games long.

2: Since the season is going from 82 games to 84 games I will rule only 4 preseason games can be played and only vs teams in your conference. This will allow the preseason to only need to be 8 days long. Preseason games will begin on Sept 20th. each year and will end Sept 28th.

3: Training camp for all teams will last minimum 3 days and a maximum of 5 days with again preseason starting on Sept 20th.

4: Opening night for the NHL will by rules be October 1st. every year. The season must conclude by the first Sunday in April every year.

5: No more than 16 teams will ever be allowed to make the playoffs.

6: The Stanley Cup must be won by May 30th. every year at the latest

7: The trade Deadline will be Feb 1st. an player traded to any team must play one additional season for that team. This should end rent a players which are a scurge to the game.

8: The salary cap will be thrown out! A new luxury tax will be made the rule. A monetary line will be established each year. For sake of discussion these numbers will explain my point.
Set a line of say $50 million per team. Teams can go above this line if they desire but a $1 for $1 luxury tax will apply on any amounts above said line. The tax will be distributed evenly to all teams who stay below the $50 million. The amount given must not put any teams above $50 million. Say for argument four teams who spend above $50 million are taxed a total of $20 million. This money will be spread among the 26 other teams evenly as long as any one share does not put any of these teams above the $50 million line.

9: Tie games will no longer be settled by gimmicky shootout. O/T games will be decided on real NHL 5 on 5 rules for the first 5 min of O/T. If a wining goal has yet to be scored then the last 5 min. of O/T will be 4 on 4. The points will be given as so, 2 points to a regulation time winner. 2 points for the winner if won in O/T. 0 points for any loser. O/T will be 10 minutes long if the game ends in a tie both teams will share 1 pt. each. Ties will be rare in this case.


10: Home teams will be required to wear the WHITE colour based sweater. Road teams will wear darks. Alternative sweaters if requested must follow a home white road dark colour. scheme to.


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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:29 am

Les - keep in mind that these decisions must be approved by unions and that the commissioner isn't the be-all-end-all of the NHL. We both agree that Bettman's made some mistakes but some of these aren't necessarily his fault.

That said,

1: As long as your schedule allows for every city in the league to see the best players in the league at least once I'm cool. Rivalries are great and all but how many new ones form?

2: I don't care about preseason and if anything would rather that teams be able to opt out of preseason entirely. Those who wish to play can play.

3: Players unions do a good enough job of constraining training camp. 5 days is WAY too short and if I had my way I'd make them lower intensity but a full two weeks. Team sports is about a team and I would try to make training camp a real bonding experience as well as conditioning.

4: Don't be a retard and set a ridiculous date regardless of whatever else is going on. Face it les, the NHL will fail if it competes on opening night against college or pro football. I don't necessarily like it either but we want to expose all sports fans to hockey.

5: Does this even say anything? Who said anything about widening playoffs?

6: All fine and good but try to schedule that with 84 games starting Oct.1 and ending allowing all series to run 7 games. As much as I think June hockey is stupid your math doesn't quite work here.

7: Players unions would never agree and rental players are a real part of both the bulking up and the rebuilding process. It gives GMs a tool to say either 'ok, we're contenders' or 'ok, we're done'.

8: That gives us a ridiculous setup like the MLB. I say follow the NFL's model which is the only real and functional salary cap in pro sports. Salary caps are necessary or teams like the Wild would never succeed.

9: I think the current OT rules are great except maybe extend the 4v4 for 10 mins before the shootout. Also, 5 shooters minimum.

10: Who the fuck cares?

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Post by Les_Vipers_rule on Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:17 am

911 wrote:Les - keep in mind that these decisions must be approved by unions and that the commissioner isn't the be-all-end-all of the NHL. We both agree that Bettman's made some mistakes but some of these aren't necessarily his fault.

That said,

1: As long as your schedule allows for every city in the league to see the best players in the league at least once I'm cool. Rivalries are great and all but how many new ones form?

This schedule I have does that

2: I don't care about preseason and if anything would rather that teams be able to opt out of preseason entirely. Those who wish to play can play.

I hate preseason too but teams do need a few games to assess talent and work systems, but I think 4 games over 8 days is enough. Not like what some teams have done playing up to 10 preseason games.

3: Players unions do a good enough job of constraining training camp. 5 days is WAY too short and if I had my way I'd make them lower intensity but a full two weeks. Team sports is about a team and I would try to make training camp a real bonding experience as well as conditioning.

The Union has shortened training camp to less than 5 days and it's enough because players come to camp in shape. In Vancouver alone [I assume similar in all 29 other cities] players have been skating on their own or in groups since mid-August already.


4: Don't be a retard and set a ridiculous date regardless of whatever else is going on. Face it les, the NHL will fail if it competes on opening night against college or pro football. I don't necessarily like it either but we want to expose all sports fans to hockey.

The NHL will not fail, it already competes on these nights against baseball, NFL, and College Football. It must not worry about this. The league usually starts around the 5th of October give or take a day or two normally. Oct 1st. can be done and it need not be every team playing that night. It can be a special opening night matchup like the WHL does on its opening night here in Western Canada. Teams do not have to all begin on the 1st but games should start on the 1st. It should be hyped by marketing to be a special night for hockey fans. In some US cities where it may conflict with other sports they can pick another night near the 1st. or begin on a road trip. It's really not that difficult.


5: Does this even say anything? Who said anything about widening playoffs?

The NHL owners do. They have been talking about adding another round for a few years now, going up to 20 teams making the playoffs. I'd make is a mandate to never go above 16 teams.

6: All fine and good but try to schedule that with 84 games starting Oct.1 and ending allowing all series to run 7 games. As much as I think June hockey is stupid your math doesn't quite work here.

Starting almost one week earlier than normal, I'd do away with the waste of time All star game and the 4 lost days there and you can get the cup won by the 30th. of May.

7: Players unions would never agree and rental players are a real part of both the bulking up and the rebuilding process. It gives GMs a tool to say either 'ok, we're contenders' or 'ok, we're done'.

No it should not be a problem because there are already rules governing trades. By moving the Deadline up earlier to Feb 1st makes it more palitable for players and team as they still have 1/3 rd season to play in the new location. The players also know they have stability for at least one season in the city which may be popular for family men.

8: That gives us a ridiculous setup like the MLB. I say follow the NFL's model which is the only real and functional salary cap in pro sports. Salary caps are necessary or teams like the Wild would never succeed.

No, it is better because the current NHL salary cap will blow up soon. esp. for less viable US markets. The lower floor of a min. of $40million is larger then the max. cap was once the lockout ended a few years ago. There are likely 6-7 teams that cannot meet the $40 million cap and make money today. My idea has a midline bar set up each year based on league revenues, teams can stay at or below it. If they wish to piss money away going above it they are taxed $1 for $1 and the money is given equally to teams that are more fiscally responsible. There will be no low end line so if a cheap ass owner wants to only spend a pittance he can, his team may likely suck but it's his choice. If teams say NYR or Det want to blow a wad say $20 million above the supposed $50 million line they pay a $20 million tax each to the league. It work best and will not blow up in the face like the NHL cap will likely do in a few seasons.

9: I think the current OT rules are great except maybe extend the 4v4 for 10 mins before the shootout. Also, 5 shooters minimum.

Shootouts suck, they are boring and do not represent the game of hockey. The current points system is simply stupid, no sport can be credible if it gives a losing team points in the standings.

10: Who the fuck cares?

Marketing cares. Road sweaters look better. When you play 42 home games per year to see all the visitors looking essentially the same 'WHITE' is boring. Dark sweaters on the visitors is more appealing. Go to a NHL game and you see the home team in darks ALL THE TIME but you never get to see the Habs glorious red sweater,the Hawks stunning red sweater, the Wings simple but classic red sweater or the Bruins black and gold sweater. It just looks better to fans in the arena. It use to be this way from 1970-2000 home teams wore white and road teams wore dark.

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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:29 pm

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
911 wrote:Les - keep in mind that these decisions must be approved by unions and that the commissioner isn't the be-all-end-all of the NHL. We both agree that Bettman's made some mistakes but some of these aren't necessarily his fault.

That said,

1: As long as your schedule allows for every city in the league to see the best players in the league at least once I'm cool. Rivalries are great and all but how many new ones form?

This schedule I have does that

Yeah I know. Which is why I said I'm cool with it.

2: I don't care about preseason and if anything would rather that teams be able to opt out of preseason entirely. Those who wish to play can play.

I hate preseason too but teams do need a few games to assess talent and work systems, but I think 4 games over 8 days is enough. Not like what some teams have done playing up to 10 preseason games.

Then let the teams decide, not the league. If a team wishes to opt out of training camp let them.

3: Players unions do a good enough job of constraining training camp. 5 days is WAY too short and if I had my way I'd make them lower intensity but a full two weeks. Team sports is about a team and I would try to make training camp a real bonding experience as well as conditioning.

The Union has shortened training camp to less than 5 days and it's enough because players come to camp in shape. In Vancouver alone [I assume similar in all 29 other cities] players have been skating on their own or in groups since mid-August already.

You could actually read what I said - if the training camps are only 5 days they will be 5 incredibly grueling days. I say make them a more relaxed two weeks. You're right in that they're not really conditioning camps though due to excellent off season individual training.

4: Don't be a retard and set a ridiculous date regardless of whatever else is going on. Face it les, the NHL will fail if it competes on opening night against college or pro football. I don't necessarily like it either but we want to expose all sports fans to hockey.

The NHL will not fail, it already competes on these nights against baseball, NFL, and College Football. It must not worry about this. The league usually starts around the 5th of October give or take a day or two normally. Oct 1st. can be done and it need not be every team playing that night. It can be a special opening night matchup like the WHL does on its opening night here in Western Canada. Teams do not have to all begin on the 1st but games should start on the 1st. It should be hyped by marketing to be a special night for hockey fans. In some US cities where it may conflict with other sports they can pick another night near the 1st. or begin on a road trip. It's really not that difficult.

That's shortsighted arrogance les. It should be the first Friday night of October as far as I'm concerned, whether it's the first of the seventh. Don't try to compete with football - you will lose. The NHL actually didn't schedule Sunday night marquee games last year until the NFL season was over and that's for a reason.

5: Does this even say anything? Who said anything about widening playoffs?

The NHL owners do. They have been talking about adding another round for a few years now, going up to 20 teams making the playoffs. I'd make is a mandate to never go above 16 teams.

Let's not quibble about hypothetical situations with little chance of occurring regardless of who's making the decisions

6: All fine and good but try to schedule that with 84 games starting Oct.1 and ending allowing all series to run 7 games. As much as I think June hockey is stupid your math doesn't quite work here.

Starting almost one week earlier than normal, I'd do away with the waste of time All star game and the 4 lost days there and you can get the cup won by the 30th. of May.

All Star game will not be cancelled - again a revenue and publicity thing.

7: Players unions would never agree and rental players are a real part of both the bulking up and the rebuilding process. It gives GMs a tool to say either 'ok, we're contenders' or 'ok, we're done'.

No it should not be a problem because there are already rules governing trades. By moving the Deadline up earlier to Feb 1st makes it more palitable for players and team as they still have 1/3 rd season to play in the new location. The players also know they have stability for at least one season in the city which may be popular for family men.

Les - these people are getting paid millions upon millions of dollars to play hockey. Frankly, fuck their preference. This would eliminate rental players entirely because of cap implications

8: That gives us a ridiculous setup like the MLB. I say follow the NFL's model which is the only real and functional salary cap in pro sports. Salary caps are necessary or teams like the Wild would never succeed.

No, it is better because the current NHL salary cap will blow up soon. esp. for less viable US markets. The lower floor of a min. of $40million is larger then the max. cap was once the lockout ended a few years ago. There are likely 6-7 teams that cannot meet the $40 million cap and make money today. My idea has a midline bar set up each year based on league revenues, teams can stay at or below it. If they wish to piss money away going above it they are taxed $1 for $1 and the money is given equally to teams that are more fiscally responsible. There will be no low end line so if a cheap ass owner wants to only spend a pittance he can, his team may likely suck but it's his choice. If teams say NYR or Det want to blow a wad say $20 million above the supposed $50 million line they pay a $20 million tax each to the league. It work best and will not blow up in the face like the NHL cap will likely do in a few seasons.

Well that's something that must be controlled - the NHL is voluntarily raising the cap like this such that the higher spending teams don't weigh themselves down too much but now they're giving contracts based on speculative higher future salary caps which is ridiculous. But les, look at the MLB - A-Rod and Derek Jeter get paid more than the entire Blue Jays (not a low spending team per se) starting lineup. That is clearly a broken system and the Rays success this year is a crazy fluke that will happen maybe every 20 years. I like the cap minimum such that it makes every team sort of stay competitive. I guarantee your plan would have 4 teams moving cities within 10 years and that's not good. And they won't be going to places like Kitchener, they'll be going to large cities with the economy to support but not the fanbase.

9: I think the current OT rules are great except maybe extend the 4v4 for 10 mins before the shootout. Also, 5 shooters minimum.

Shootouts suck, they are boring and do not represent the game of hockey. The current points system is simply stupid, no sport can be credible if it gives a losing team points in the standings.

I like it, it adds an extra bit of strategy. You're just an old coot who's completely out of touch on this one.

10: Who the fuck cares?

Marketing cares. Road sweaters look better. When you play 42 home games per year to see all the visitors looking essentially the same 'WHITE' is boring. Dark sweaters on the visitors is more appealing. Go to a NHL game and you see the home team in darks ALL THE TIME but you never get to see the Habs glorious red sweater,the Hawks stunning red sweater, the Wings simple but classic red sweater or the Bruins black and gold sweater. It just looks better to fans in the arena. It use to be this way from 1970-2000 home teams wore white and road teams wore dark.

You're just friggin nitpicking here man. It's still half and half.


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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:30 pm

As much as I don't like Gary Bettman all that much, your rules would have the NHL in a financial hellhole in 10 years flat les. The fan part and the Commissioner part have to stay separate.

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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:31 pm

And les, the OT rules are such that TV networks will pay more for the coverage, which allows the lesser teams in particular to take extra money in. Change that and lose TV deals.

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Post by Les_Vipers_rule on Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:16 pm

911 wrote:As much as I don't like Gary Bettman all that much, your rules would have the NHL in a financial hellhole in 10 years flat les. The fan part and the Commissioner part have to stay separate.

I don't agree, what rules of mine (which btw are often shared by many hockey writers in the media) would cause that? The current CBA is soon to explode in the NHL's face especially given the growing financial meltdown in the USA.
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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:18 pm

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
911 wrote:As much as I don't like Gary Bettman all that much, your rules would have the NHL in a financial hellhole in 10 years flat les. The fan part and the Commissioner part have to stay separate.

I don't agree, what rules of mine (which btw are often shared by many hockey writers in the media) would cause that? The current CBA is soon to explode in the NHL's face especially given the growing financial meltdown in the USA.

Removing the salary cap, competitive dates with larger sports in most markets, fucking around with the network-approved game format.

Being a sports writer doesn't qualify one to be a commissioner either.

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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:20 pm

Also, see my thread in the atari section.

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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:24 pm

It's also quite likely that while many small market teams don't like the cap rising so high they would vehemently oppose removing it instead of controlling it.

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Post by Les_Vipers_rule on Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:26 pm

911 wrote:And les, the OT rules are such that TV networks will pay more for the coverage, which allows the lesser teams in particular to take extra money in. Change that and lose TV deals.

The OT rules are irrelevant to any t.v. monies paid to the NHL. The t.v. deals have been squandered by idiot Bettman and many of his idiot Board of Governors who for one ditched ESPN for Versus in the USA. Versus which is available to something 40 million fewer homes in the USA than ESPN. ESPN for over 25 years did more to put the NHL on the map in the US for t.v. was bailed on because Versus paid a few million dollar more. Then there is NBC which pays nothing to the NHL but agrees to share any profits (it is not making much if any on NHL right now) with the NHL on a per game basis. The economic meltdown in the USA is likely going to see even less t.v. revenue from the USA for the NHL shortly. Fact is the 6 Canadian based team make over 1/3rd of all revenues to the NHL and at will go up with record new Canadian t.v. contracts from both CBC and TSN beginning this year.
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911 wrote:It's also quite likely that while many small market teams don't like the cap rising so high they would vehemently oppose removing it instead of controlling it.

6-7 US base teams cannot make money even by staying to the min. base of $40 million beginning this year. The Cap is not helping the poor in the NHL, the base requirement is killing them as much as the pre-Cap NHL was. My luxury tax punishes those who want to overspend and as such the taxes will be given to more fiscally prudent teams.
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Post by 911 on Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:32 pm

The Versus deal is an accepted mistake although their coverage was significantly better last year. The important deal is the NBC hockey, which I thought to be a great package. Second best to HNIC.

While I agree that the revenue is higher in Canada there's still money to be made in the USA.

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Post by Les_Vipers_rule on Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:53 pm

NBC is better because they have Canadians doing the broadcast.:talon2: The US networks have never really supported hockey. Only ESPN cable network embraced it hence why the NHL is looking to grovel to get back on it. But fuck face Schnieder in Philly owns part of Versus so he probably lobbies to keep Versus in the game.
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Post by Swerve on Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:15 am

Disband the league.

Actually, I like NHL. Channel 10 is creating a 24 hour sporting network here, so I'm guessing they'll have to fill the time with traditionally unpopular sports such as ice hockey. I'd watch it.

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Post by Swerve on Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:16 am

But they'll probably only shell out for the Lithuanian league.

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Post by dunnas on Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:37 pm

Swerve wrote:Disband the league.

Actually, I like NHL. Channel 10 is creating a 24 hour sporting network here, so I'm guessing they'll have to fill the time with traditionally unpopular sports such as ice hockey. I'd watch it.
Nope, there's been no mention of NHL as yet, just NBA, NCAA, NFL and Nascar as far as US sports leagues go. Once March 26th comes though we can probably expect some other exciting North American sports as filler like the Mississippi gator juggling championships and Canadian professional lumberjacking league.

On the positive side though, there is going to be 22 hours of the Melb GP shown over the course of the three days. It seems I picked a good year to be too broke to go for the first time in 8 years.


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Post by thewalrus on Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:41 pm

Get rid of fighting because it's a barbaric, ugly, and pointless part of what otherwise might be a halfway entertaining game.

Also, make the pucks glow and leave a trail of light on camera so that they are easier to see when watching the game on TV.
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