H1N1

You guys getting the shot?


Personally, FUCK NO.

nah. i've never had a flu shot, nor have i ever had the flu.

side note: i know a teacher at a local elementary school here, and 1/3 of the entire school has h1n1. they're considering closing the school for a week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEN5KGwNGeo



anyway, i had a flu shot at work last year. god, i felt awful and had no strength whatsoever for 2 days. i had to climb some stages at work, and i just couldn't..
i've been told i passed out, got carried to the breakroom, and when i woke up, i started mumbling nonsense (whatever the correct english term is.. )

My work gave it out for free, I declined. Vaccines for debilitating viruses is one thing, but the fucking flu? I'll take my chances.

Yes,

I do not normally get flu shots but this strain of flu is different in that most of the population have no immunity to it. This is especially true if you are born after 1968 they say. Those born before 1956 have the least likeliness of getting it at all or get badly ill from it as they probably got some strain of it from past pandemics. Even at that getting the shot means you will not likely be a carrier to pass on to others who it may affect and even kill. This flu shot is your personal responsibility to your fellow citizens.

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:This flu shot is your personal responsibility to your fellow citizens.

Not driving in the left lane is your personal responsibility to your fellow citizens. Getting a flu shot is absolutely not.

fuck, i am getting a little nervous now after reading this. i guess ill get one.

i usually get flu shots anyway though.

No. Waste of time and effort. I couldn't tell you the last time I was sick (other than self induced from copious amounts of alcohol).

Id hate to be another sheep and feed into the mass hysteria.

it's funny, you walk into every supermarket and convenience store and they have a "H1N1 crisis center" set up with lots of hand sanitizer, antiseptic spray, etc.

Something alot of people dont realize is that using that stuff all the time can actually get you sick in the long run since it takes the load off of your immune system. Pretty ironic isnt it?

honor m4n wrote:fuck, i am getting a little nervous now after reading this. i guess ill get one.

i usually get flu shots anyway though.

After reading what? Les' retarded post?

This is just the newest wave of media frenzy because they are all trying to one-up each other. I am about as worried of the H1N1 as I was the Bird-Flu... what a pandemic that turned out to be. More people die annually of the 'regular' flu than the H1N1.

the death rate for this flu is no different than the others. it's just a media shitstorm brewed up by bored reporters/editors.

aaaaaand i see talon posted the same thing.

Aristotle wrote:aaaaaand i see talon posted the same thing.

I'm about as scared of this as I am of SARS and Ebolam and Aris' big black cock.

never got a flu shot before in my life, don't plan on it now

honor m4n wrote:Id hate to be another sheep and feed into the mass hysteria.

it's funny, you walk into every supermarket and convenience store and they have a "H1N1 crisis center" set up with lots of hand sanitizer, antiseptic spray, etc.

Something alot of people dont realize is that using that stuff all the time can actually get you sick in the long run since it takes the load off of your immune system. Pretty ironic isnt it?

Paranoia is one thing, those who are benefiting from such is also another. That said this flu strain is unlike most as again most humans have little to no immunity to it and hearing of some who have suffered from it they state it was among the sickest they have felt. I do not support paranoia and modern life seems to thrive on it but again I'm not into getting those annual flu shots but H1N1 is not the same and as I noted we all have a responsibility to do our thing. This flu virus is a descendant of the 1918 Spanish Flu and that killed millions around the globe. Today with global trade and travel it is important that we do the right thing for this one.

Talon wrote:This is just the newest wave of media frenzy because they are all trying to one-up each other. I am about as worried of the H1N1 as I was the Bird-Flu... what a pandemic that turned out to be. More people die annually of the 'regular' flu than the H1N1.

Bird Flu has not cross spieces to humans (yet if it will at all). The H1N1 is a decedent of flu strains long ago which have in our past killed millions. It is especially new to anyone born after 1968 who have no immunity to past strains of it. This is why medical experts say its affecting younger people worse than older people who likely suffered an earlier generation of it, esp. if they were born before 1956. This is not me pulling it from my ass. It's what medical experts are trying to inform us all on.

By all means don't succumb to paranoia but just think about taking action and getting the H1N1 flu shot ok?

I think we need to allow nature to thin the heard, too many stupid people being kept alive no thanks for modern medicine.

cam wrote:I think we need to allow nature to thin the heard, too many stupid people being kept alive no thanks for modern medicine.

But how do you know that everyone who is dying to the H1N1 are stupid people? What if it has just killed the next Einstein? Or if you caught the virus and even if you did not suffer from it much if at all passed it on to the next Einstein or other future VIP person? The flu virus does not interview who it attacks to see if they are stupid or not, or important or not.

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

cam wrote:I think we need to allow nature to thin the heard, too many stupid people being kept alive no thanks for modern medicine.

But how do you know that everyone who is dying to the H1N1 are stupid people? What if it has just killed the next Einstein? Or if you caught the virus and even if you did not suffer from it much if at all passed it on to the next Einstein or other future VIP person? The flu virus does not interview who it attacks to see if they are stupid or not, or important or not.

Oh well, nature will provide a replacement vip. And if they were going to be an influence, im sure the universe would create conditions for them to prevail.

cam wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

cam wrote:I think we need to allow nature to thin the heard, too many stupid people being kept alive no thanks for modern medicine.

But how do you know that everyone who is dying to the H1N1 are stupid people? What if it has just killed the next Einstein? Or if you caught the virus and even if you did not suffer from it much if at all passed it on to the next Einstein or other future VIP person? The flu virus does not interview who it attacks to see if they are stupid or not, or important or not.

Oh well, nature will provide a replacement vip. And if they were going to be an influence, im sure the universe would create conditions for them to prevail.

Ok lets play it from this angle. Say you contract H1N1 and get sick very badly to the point of needing hospitalization, should we in society just say "too bad for you." and deny you the needed care so that we can thin out the population by one with your death? I'm sure I already know your answer and it's likely going to be one where you'd want and expect the doctors to do all they can for you, stupid person or not.

I was never officially diagnosed, but I might have already gotten it. Earlier this year, not long before H1N1 was big news, I'd gotten a nasty flu. Then a few weeks after everyone was going apeshit about H1N1 I got ANOTHER case of the flu, this one even worse and kept me out of work and shut-in for about a week.

I don't get sick very often, but to get two cases of the flu in, like, two months? I'm wondering if the second one wasn't H1N1.

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

cam wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

cam wrote:I think we need to allow nature to thin the heard, too many stupid people being kept alive no thanks for modern medicine.

But how do you know that everyone who is dying to the H1N1 are stupid people? What if it has just killed the next Einstein? Or if you caught the virus and even if you did not suffer from it much if at all passed it on to the next Einstein or other future VIP person? The flu virus does not interview who it attacks to see if they are stupid or not, or important or not.

Oh well, nature will provide a replacement vip. And if they were going to be an influence, im sure the universe would create conditions for them to prevail.

Ok lets play it from this angle. Say you contract H1N1 and get sick very badly to the point of needing hospitalization, should we in society just say "too bad for you." and deny you the needed care so that we can thin out the population by one with your death? I'm sure I already know your answer and it's likely going to be one where you'd want and expect the doctors to do all they can for you, stupid person or not.

not realy, if the flu kills me i deserve to die.

Which is more important, the next einstein or evolution?

I might get it.

I don't normally get flu shots, but Les is right that this is a very different strain, one that is much more likely to kill healthy people rather than the very old and young that the flu usually affects. I believe it's an overreaction from your own immune system that's the problem.

nah, why prevent something that may kill me?

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

cam wrote:I think we need to allow nature to thin the heard, too many stupid people being kept alive no thanks for modern medicine.

or other future VIP person?

Yeah, it would suck if another very important person person died...

Turbofrog wrote:I might get it.

I don't normally get flu shots, but Les is right that this is a very different strain, one that is much more likely to kill healthy people rather than the very old and young that the flu usually affects. I believe it's an overreaction from your own immune system that's the problem.

I was unaware that any healthy person had actually died from this. When Melbourne was meant to be the per capita leader in confirmed cases and it was the dominant strain of flu over winter, the people who died were always AIDS or cancer sufferers or 100 years old. It didn't stop the wave of hysteria that seems to be hitting you guys now, but we stopped worrying about it sometime in July.
Unless it's mutated into the disease in 12 Monkeys, it's no more severe than the regular flu and you're probably safe unless you were going to die anyway.

Turbofrog wrote:I might get it.

I don't normally get flu shots, but Les is right that this is a very different strain, one that is much more likely to kill healthy people rather than the very old and young that the flu usually affects. I believe it's an overreaction from your own immune system that's the problem.

Cytokine storm. Although this really does seem to be a media shitstorm more than anything. The CDC reported the majority of alleged swine flu cases aren't even swine flu.

Swerve wrote:

Turbofrog wrote:I might get it.

I don't normally get flu shots, but Les is right that this is a very different strain, one that is much more likely to kill healthy people rather than the very old and young that the flu usually affects. I believe it's an overreaction from your own immune system that's the problem.

I was unaware that any healthy person had actually died from this. When Melbourne was meant to be the per capita leader in confirmed cases and it was the dominant strain of flu over winter, the people who died were always AIDS or cancer sufferers or 100 years old. It didn't stop the wave of hysteria that seems to be hitting you guys now, but we stopped worrying about it sometime in July.
Unless it's mutated into the disease in 12 Monkeys, it's no more severe than the regular flu and you're probably safe unless you were going to die anyway.

The more typical strains of seasonal flu have less ability to reach a pandemic as more people globally have immunity to them. The H1N1 is a strain that has not been in outbreak for many decades which means much fewer people may have some sort of immunity to it. This is the worry by medical experts in that it has a greater chance of reaching to a pandemic rate.

By all means do not be paranoid but be informed and make the responsible decision. By getting a vaccination you not only reduce your risk of getting ill from H1N1 but of being a carrier to transmit to others, some who may get very ill and maybe even die.

In french, pandemic would mean 'halves of bread'. Doesn't sound so bad now does it?

let's compare swine flu to some other things over the past year...

hmmm...looks like it's really giving leprosy a run for its money.

lol

I just don't get why some of you can't seem to understand the concern over H1N1. And no it's not about paranoia or other media hype. It's about getting informed. H1N1 is a medical concern as so many people globally likely have little to no immunity to it. Most seasonal flues have run their course many times and to varying degrees depending on which one is running its course many humans are generally immune to them therefore risk of a pandemic is smaller in a global outlook. H1N1 risks growing into a much more troublesome and especially costly global pandemic. This is why the medical community asks people to get vaccinated.

A worldwide pandemic of what has turned out to be a rather mild strain of a particular flu would mean that most people alive today would be immune if/when a more dangerous strain of the flu turns up in the future.

Plus we'd kill off a lot of chronically sick people that are a drain on the medical system.

I personally haven't heard any calls from the medical community asking for people to get vaccinated unless they're high risk, yet if you look at the numbers above Australia is statistically well over-represented in the number of deaths, albeit given we've had our flu season already.

whoa, more suicides than murder and war put together...