H1N1

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

Pennzoil GT-R wrote:

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:

VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Actually Les, H1N1 is the most common subtype of flu in humans. The swine flu strain of H1N1 is not especially good at mutating and has a death rate of 0.045%. The Spanish flu has a death rate of 2% - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953

Compare that to H5N1 [bird flu], which had a death rate of 60% and is extremely fast to mutate.

Bird Flu has not crossed into the human species.

H1N1 in not the most common Penz. The medical community makes it clear that anyone born after 1968 has no immunity to the strain variant H1N1. Those born prior to 1956 by odds of past pandemics have the best chance of having some immunity to the H1N1 variant.

The fact that the 1918-1920 Flu killed between 20million and 100million when the world pop. was about 1.6 billion is something to take note of. When one notes that again anyone born after 1968 has zero chance of immunity to H1N1 well there is a concern Penz. This could be a true global pandemic if left unchecked.

I'm sure you're well aware of the living standards in most of the world in 1918. WW1, recession (early 1900s style) and lack of hygiene meant the average person in that year was unlikely to have a super efficient immune system.

The zero immunity for people born after 68 is also bullshit. As I said earlier in the topic, the real world results are that the common flu is more dangerous. No one in Australia over winter died from the flu without being either extremely old or already suffering from a terminal illness. The same seems to be true these past couple of months.

I'm not against immunisation but I don't get the normal flu shot and this one isn't warranted. HAlf the people who get the normal shot end up with the flu anyway, for what that's worth.

That's exactly right.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the nasty bug that I am finally fighting off was swine flu. My co-worker's wife just got diagnosed with it, and I had most of the same, fairly specific symptoms (I definitely don't get back pain from garden variety colds).

It's a fucking shitty virus, but it didn't kill me.