Re: H1N1

ascona · by ascona on Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:04 am

has anyone checked any of the two links posted earlier?

Swerve · by Swerve on Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:48 am

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:I just don't get why some of you can't seem to understand the concern over H1N1. And no it's not about paranoia or other media hype. It's about getting informed. H1N1 is a medical concern as so many people globally likely have little to no immunity to it. Most seasonal flues have run their course many times and to varying degrees depending on which one is running its course many humans are generally immune to them therefore risk of a pandemic is smaller in a global outlook. H1N1 risks growing into a much more troublesome and especially costly global pandemic. This is why the medical community asks people to get vaccinated.

It is all about media hype. I think 3 people out of 800 in our open plan office had it over winter. Usually if someone sneezes the whole place comes down with a cold. And the average age would be around 25. So according to the media here six months ago and in Japan and the US now, we should have all been killed.

4 people out of 1000 on a cruise ship, 5 kids in a school of hundreds...it sounds like the flu to me.

I think part of the problem is that most people think that a cold is the flu. So when they hear about the symptoms of H1N1 (ie. actual flu ailments) they freak out.

Olds · by Olds on Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:32 am

Has anyone read "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell?

This is all explained in the book. It's nothing more than mass hysteria. And like VS said, between 10 and 70% of these rapid H1N1 tests come out wrong. Fuck this shit.

Olds · by Olds on Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:34 am

Aristotle wrote:hmmm...looks like it's really giving leprosy a run for its money.

fingers that fell off but you still like

Olds · by Olds on Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:35 am

honor m4n wrote:whoa, more suicides than murder and war put together...

the world's a shitty place

VS · by VS on Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:05 am

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:I just don't get why some of you can't seem to understand the concern over H1N1. And no it's not about paranoia or other media hype. It's about getting informed. H1N1 is a medical concern as so many people globally likely have little to no immunity to it. Most seasonal flues have run their course many times and to varying degrees depending on which one is running its course many humans are generally immune to them therefore risk of a pandemic is smaller in a global outlook. H1N1 risks growing into a much more troublesome and especially costly global pandemic. This is why the medical community asks people to get vaccinated.

You might have swayed me. The thought of a world-wide global pandemic on the majority of this planet is more than I can bear.

Olds · by Olds on Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:17 am

big_jesus · by big_jesus on Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:02 pm

i am good friends with some doctors, and they're freaked out, actually. i'd get it.

Hey Underpants · by Hey Underpants on Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:56 pm

big_jesus wrote:i am good friends with some doctors, and they're freaked out, actually. i'd get it.

Just cause he had a finger in your ass doesn't mean he's a doctor. You really need to stop falling for that line. I don't care how many free beers you get.

Benfolio · by Benfolio on Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:54 am

You can die from diarreah? :sids motherfuckin a

Aristotle · by Aristotle on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:52 am

Hey Underpants wrote:
big_jesus wrote:i am good friends with some doctors, and they're freaked out, actually. i'd get it.

Just cause he had a finger in your ass doesn't mean he's a doctor. You really need to stop falling for that line. I don't care how many free beers you get.

+1

Aristotle · by Aristotle on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:54 am

Olds wrote:Has anyone read "The Tipping Point" by Malcolm Gladwell?

This is all explained in the book. It's nothing more than mass hysteria. And like VS said, between 10 and 70% of these rapid H1N1 tests come out wrong. Fuck this shit.

i read that years ago. great book.

Pennzoil GT-R · by Pennzoil GT-R on Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:30 pm

250,000 die from regular flu in the US alone each year. 5000 have died from swine flu worldwide. im not going near that stupid jab.

Benfolio · by Benfolio on Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:38 pm

Its got everyone freaked out at work. The GM went out and bought 3 big ass jugs of hand sanitizer for the parts, sales, and service counters.

I still got a fucking cold on Monday, and was sick up until yesterday.

But no, no shots.

big_jesus · by big_jesus on Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:57 am

Aristotle wrote:
Hey Underpants wrote:
big_jesus wrote:i am good friends with some doctors, and they're freaked out, actually. i'd get it.

Just cause he had a finger in your ass doesn't mean he's a doctor. You really need to stop falling for that line. I don't care how many free beers you get.

+1

milleniahead · by milleniahead on Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:04 pm

why is les always against everyone else on topics?

AF: yeaa skiiing is awesome

les: back in 1492 skiiing was used to transport drugs to and from canada and instead of ski's they used polar bear balls and baby seal whiskers so thats why ur not supposed to like it. blah blah blah..

ur horrible.

Honor · by Honor on Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:51 pm

JaysonAych · by JaysonAych on Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:13 pm

The_Edge · by The_Edge on Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:45 pm

Pennzoil GT-R · by Pennzoil GT-R on Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:53 pm

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
Talon wrote:This is just the newest wave of media frenzy because they are all trying to one-up each other. I am about as worried of the H1N1 as I was the Bird-Flu... what a pandemic that turned out to be. More people die annually of the 'regular' flu than the H1N1.

Bird Flu has not cross spieces to humans (yet if it will at all). The H1N1 is a decedent of flu strains long ago which have in our past killed millions. It is especially new to anyone born after 1968 who have no immunity to past strains of it. This is why medical experts say its affecting younger people worse than older people who likely suffered an earlier generation of it, esp. if they were born before 1956. This is not me pulling it from my ass. It's what medical experts are trying to inform us all on.

By all means don't succumb to paranoia but just think about taking action and getting the H1N1 flu shot ok?

i agree....you should get it. and then in 10 years time when everyone who had it starts going mad....well maybe it will be like two negatives equalling a positive...you might turn normal

the rest of us sane folk....we'll accept it for what it is. media hype of something barely any more deadly than a common cold

VS · by VS on Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:23 pm

I always picture les as living out in the sticks carefully preparing for armageddon. He will split time in his bunker between painting model planes, standing at his pulpit preaching to no one, and masturbating vigorously while o' canada plays on a victrola in the background.

Les_Vipers_rule · by Les_Vipers_rule on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:39 pm

So those of you who are against getting H1N1 vaccinations, are you feeling this way because you are against vaccines in general? If so have you avoided through your lives vaccinations against polio, small pox, rubella, and a host of others? What is causing you to be so paranoid about getting a flu shot to a rare flu virus which most of the world has little to no immunity to? If you are against vaccinations in general can you explain why then we no longer see polio and small pox as health issues today?

VS · by VS on Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:53 pm

We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

big_jesus · by big_jesus on Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:30 pm

you just asked les to prove his point? you asked him for evidence.
what the fuck, man?

Les_Vipers_rule · by Les_Vipers_rule on Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:41 pm

VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Pennzoil GT-R · by Pennzoil GT-R on Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:17 pm

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Actually Les, H1N1 is the most common subtype of flu in humans. The swine flu strain of H1N1 is not especially good at mutating and has a death rate of 0.045%. The Spanish flu has a death rate of 2% - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953

Compare that to H5N1 [bird flu], which had a death rate of 60% and is extremely fast to mutate.

Olds · by Olds on Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:19 pm

Holy shit. 60%? That's fucked.

Pennzoil GT-R · by Pennzoil GT-R on Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:21 pm

And Les, Polio has a death rate between 25% and 100% depending on treatment and type. And a vaccination that has been tried and tested on hundreds of millions of people. BIG difference

Pennzoil GT-R · by Pennzoil GT-R on Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:28 pm

Olds wrote:Holy shit. 60%? That's fucked.

apparently 442 people caught it, 262 of them died. fair enough they were in areas with shitty healthcare, but that still puts it in similar company to Ebola, bacterial meningitis and HIV.

swine flu on the other hand shares space with the common cold

VS · by VS on Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:17 pm

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Thanks for those concrete statistics. I am sorry for doubting you on how lethal the 1918 flu was. Hopefully this fucking vaccine you get improves reading comprehension you dolt.

Olds · by Olds on Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:53 pm

Les_Vipers_rule · by Les_Vipers_rule on Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:08 pm

Pennzoil GT-R wrote:
Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Actually Les, H1N1 is the most common subtype of flu in humans. The swine flu strain of H1N1 is not especially good at mutating and has a death rate of 0.045%. The Spanish flu has a death rate of 2% - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953

Compare that to H5N1 [bird flu], which had a death rate of 60% and is extremely fast to mutate.

Bird Flu has not crossed into the human species.

H1N1 in not the most common Penz. The medical community makes it clear that anyone born after 1968 has no immunity to the strain variant H1N1. Those born prior to 1956 by odds of past pandemics have the best chance of having some immunity to the H1N1 variant.

The fact that the 1918-1920 Flu killed between 20million and 100million when the world pop. was about 1.6 billion is something to take note of. When one notes that again anyone born after 1968 has zero chance of immunity to H1N1 well there is a concern Penz. This could be a true global pandemic if left unchecked.

Les_Vipers_rule · by Les_Vipers_rule on Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:14 pm

Pennzoil GT-R wrote:And Les, Polio has a death rate between 25% and 100% depending on treatment and type. And a vaccination that has been tried and tested on hundreds of millions of people. BIG difference

The vaccine is not a new scientific one or method. It's based on the standard principles of flu vaccine production but to the H1N1 strain. There is no conspiracy or fear that the medical community is playing with some new fangled way to produce the vaccine. It's made by using tried and true method of flu vaccines but only to a different strain and rare strain by all measured effects. Stop reading the anti-vaccine b.s. on the internet that is done to only scare the shit out of you.

dunnas · by dunnas on Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:27 pm

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
Pennzoil GT-R wrote:
Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Actually Les, H1N1 is the most common subtype of flu in humans. The swine flu strain of H1N1 is not especially good at mutating and has a death rate of 0.045%. The Spanish flu has a death rate of 2% - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953

Compare that to H5N1 [bird flu], which had a death rate of 60% and is extremely fast to mutate.

This could be a true global pandemic if left unchecked.

And?

So every single person in the world gets it and .05% die (assuming Pennz's figure is accurate). That's only 3.25 million dead, just 14 times as many as the 2004 tsunami that killed people from a very limited area.

Les_Vipers_rule · by Les_Vipers_rule on Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:29 pm

link

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dunnas · by dunnas on Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:12 pm

Um, were those just three random search results for H1N1, because they don't seem to back up anything you've been saying. In fact, quite the opposite. :aris:

This little part, from the 3rd article, is about the only relevant bit. However it certainly doesn't sound like they're super strongly urging everyone to get them though.

" Other useful protections against H1N1 are vaccines, which the WHO recommends against pandemic infections, Fukuda said.

"These vaccines now have been used in a significant number of countries ... and based on this experience, in which millions of people have now received vaccine, we in fact see that these vaccines are very safe," he said.

The only side effects are swelling and pain at the injection site, but "these are occurring at rates that are expected and usually seen with seasonal influenza vaccine," Fukuda said.

"WHO, along with other public health authorities, believes that these vaccines are very useful against pandemic infections and [we] do support their use," he said.

by 911 on Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:56 am

dunnas wrote:
Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
Pennzoil GT-R wrote:
Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Actually Les, H1N1 is the most common subtype of flu in humans. The swine flu strain of H1N1 is not especially good at mutating and has a death rate of 0.045%. The Spanish flu has a death rate of 2% - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953

Compare that to H5N1 [bird flu], which had a death rate of 60% and is extremely fast to mutate.

This could be a true global pandemic if left unchecked.

And?

So every single person in the world gets it and .05% die (assuming Pennz's figure is accurate). That's only 3.25 million dead, just 14 times as many as the 2004 tsunami that killed people from a very limited area.

I don't give a shit about h1n1 really but the tsunami didn't even kill a tenth that

dunnas · by dunnas on Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:24 am

1/14 is less than 1/10. :sids motherfuckin a

Did you completely miss me saying 14 times as many, or are you saying that the Tsunami actually only killed 23,000, not 230,000, and that we've all been lied to?

Pennzoil GT-R · by Pennzoil GT-R on Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:22 am

Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
Pennzoil GT-R wrote:
Les_Vipers_rule wrote:
VS wrote:We are against vaccinations for typically non-lethal/non-crippling pathogens. You can go ahead and get vaccinated for this trumped-up flu. I don't understand why you are so adamant a bunch of strangers on the internet get vaccinated.

Show us hard evidence that this flu is anything more than a typical strain of flu.

H1N1 is not a typical strain of seasonal flu, it is a strain of the rare 1918 flu. Between 1918 and 1920 that flu is estimated to have killed at minimum 20 million and at max. 100 million world wide. To say there is nothing to worry about the current H1 N1 killing people is incorrect. I have not advocated paranoia, none of posts here do so. I advocate being informed and being vaccinated against a rare form of flu to which most of the world's population has little to no immunity from.

Actually Les, H1N1 is the most common subtype of flu in humans. The swine flu strain of H1N1 is not especially good at mutating and has a death rate of 0.045%. The Spanish flu has a death rate of 2% - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32877953

Compare that to H5N1 [bird flu], which had a death rate of 60% and is extremely fast to mutate.

Bird Flu has not crossed into the human species.

H1N1 in not the most common Penz. The medical community makes it clear that anyone born after 1968 has no immunity to the strain variant H1N1. Those born prior to 1956 by odds of past pandemics have the best chance of having some immunity to the H1N1 variant.

The fact that the 1918-1920 Flu killed between 20million and 100million when the world pop. was about 1.6 billion is something to take note of. When one notes that again anyone born after 1968 has zero chance of immunity to H1N1 well there is a concern Penz. This could be a true global pandemic if left unchecked.

It's hard to take you seriously when you continually get wrong the most important fact of all.

The very first sentence:

Influenza A (H1N1) virus is a subtype of influenzavirus A and the most common cause of influenza (flu) in humans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H1N1

There are different strains of H1N1 and that is where the difference in seasonal and swine flu come from. Seasonal flu IS H1N1, and humans do have resistance to it.

You also fail to mention near enough half of those 1.6 billion contracted Spanish flu.

VS · by VS on Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:20 am

dunnas wrote:1/14 is less than 1/10.

Did you completely miss me saying 14 times as many, or are you saying that the Tsunami actually only killed 23,000, not 230,000, and that we've all been lied to?

This confused me as well...